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Cathar and other species

Izorii's Avatar

02.10.2013 , 05:03 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by snoopdogbaby View Post
We're not going to get far-from human species options since they already said that. There'd be trouble with clipping, facial expressions, and character voices.

However, I'd like to eventually see Zeltrons, togruta, (possibly) nautolans, echani, and kiffar at some point. Even the species that Rusk is. There's plenty of near-human species not implemented yet that could be.
I support more species but I want alien species. Things that the second they are looked at they are clearly not human in decending order of preference: Gran, Kel'dor, Trandoshan, Quarran, Mon Cal and Rodian.

What I really would like to know if why people want echani and Kiffar. I see a number of people ask for these but from what I can see a echani is a pale human with silver eyes and a Kiffar is a human with tatoos. What would these really add to the current race system, why do people want them and why not just create a human and pretend its a Kiffar or Echani? The species has no stat changes and the species special is just an animation so quite meaningless.

Izorii's Avatar

02.10.2013 , 05:11 AM | #22
This is a question to the developers. I suspect we all have heard that new species will be dependent on Cathar selling well and then new species will be determinted but I have a few questions.
1) A large number of people have said they wont create a Cathar but want other alien species, while some people want Cathar and when they have them they wont want to create a new character with a new species. Why has the selling of Cathar been selected to determine if more species should be added? Is there going to be any way to support new species without spending Cartel coins on a species people dont want to play?
2) It has been said that the comumnity will decide the next species if Cathar sell well. Is this still the plan? Will any species be considered or will it be from a short list. As the players buying Cathar (many such as myself who dont want a Cathar but do want a new species will buy them even though we dont want them) will determine if a new speices is added should only those people who buy cathar get a vote, or could people with no interest in playing species vote and throw off the results? How many new species will be added if Cathar do sell well?
3) Is the delay in Cathar being caused because improved character modeling is being done to make adding future species quicker and easier after the Cathar or is there some other reason why Cathar have been delayed from a 2012 release? So will new species be quicker to come in after the Cathar release or will we still see a 6 - 12 month wait on each species?

drug_cartel's Avatar

02.14.2013 , 04:30 AM | #23
I would love more species in the Cartel Market. Many of my favorite classic Star Wars characters go unrepresented. Personally, I am no fan of cat-people (I just keep thinking Vah Shir which was the beginning of the end for my Everquest days). I would pay easily 3k CC each if it opened up options like Mon Cal, Gamorrean, or Sollustan.

I don't care if it means there is only one head option, with no customization of hair/eyes/scars. I don't care if it means I can't display a helmet because I have a funky head. I don't care if it is restricted to a single body type (Gamorreans can only be Body Type 4, for example). I don't care if they recycle the three alien language lines from the game and play that as the audio for everything I say during missions. (You know, the one that sounds like "Chunky Fajitas make me go to Wee Quay") I don't care if the gear doesn't display properly and so I can never visually put gloves or boots on my Mon Cal.

They can use entirely existing graphics and audio and I will still shovel money at them for the option to be able to play as stuff they've already made, and any of the drawbacks of my choice of race, I will gladly accept as the price of playing something fun.

Costello's Avatar

02.14.2013 , 01:08 PM | #24
I would accept a number of restrictions if it got more choice of species into the game.

The difference of looks between the humanoid choices is limited enough that short of skin colour many of the current species all look alike. So to have a Gran or Trandoshian or whatever options hopefully become available if it looks very similar to other Gran or Trandoshian its till going to look miles away from Humans, Blue Humans, grey humans and be instantly recognisable as a member of that species. Far more than should they add a near human such as Kiffar who despite 12 different face choices you wouldn't be able to distinguish between a human and a member of that species. How many people know Corso Riggs is a kiffar from looking at him, so if they added that species how many people would pay for that. So they could add some war paint.

LordRaeth's Avatar

02.14.2013 , 01:40 PM | #25
Problem is I want more races, but I don't particularly want cathar but if they are going off the cathar buy rates, then it kind of forces you to buy it to ensure more come :/

sabbey's Avatar

02.14.2013 , 09:29 PM | #26
I have been thinking that BioWare should end up just adding it to the Makeb expansion instead myself... With my train of thought being it might get more people to buy the pack if it's part of that update, for those that may have not done so currently because of lack of details on the expansion, etc. That, plus I can see more people considering to roll a Cathar if they don't have to pay extra for it.

KimbriOnasi's Avatar

02.15.2013 , 08:07 AM | #27
I have been anxiously awaiting the Cathar to be implemented, actually. I have 2 character types reserved for that species. I love cats and have wanted the Cathar to be playable since the start of the game!
And I hope other basic-speaking races will then be opened up as well.

Izorii's Avatar

02.18.2013 , 11:32 AM | #28
I suspect that most people wanting to play alien species would be very happy to get to play the alien species even if they could not see them wearing helmets (or gloves or boots for some species), there were minor clipping issues or if there were minor story issues such as a strange reply to a member of your own species or a comment about your species.

While I would be happy to have static gear and have to buy new outfits from cartel market I suspect that most people would be upset if there were huge lore issues such as Voss off planet and then having standard dialog on Voss or major clipping issues like horns going through helmets or the like,

Hopefully we will see some more species and soon.

ekwalizer's Avatar

02.19.2013 , 01:39 PM | #29
I'm pretty sure they said a long time ago that any player races would have to be able to speak basic. That rules out Trandoshans, Rodians and Wookiees.
Let this sink in, this game is Free to Play, boasts one of the most popular IPs on the planet and yet 76.47% of the servers are empty.

Costello's Avatar

02.19.2013 , 03:11 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by ekwalizer View Post
I'm pretty sure they said a long time ago that any player races would have to be able to speak basic. That rules out Trandoshans, Rodians and Wookiees.
2 out of the 3 species spoke Basic in Star Wars Galaxies and I don't remember a massive uproar of protests that they could speak Basic.

Now I am all for Canon but at a certain point it becomes a mute argument when in a game. Bioware have already decided that the Chis were discovered by the galaxy before the events in outbound flight. They have opted to have the Empire's symbol very closesly matching that of the Republic, not to mention a somewhat Imperial Star Destroyer looking vessel long before such would become comon place in the Republic.

They did all this because they knew getting too tied up by canon and design would mean many people who came to TOR from the Movies wouldn't understand how they could call it Star Wars, with nothing they could recognise as being in the game from the films. So they made a design choice that may not always make sence if taken as part of the EU or even the movies but makes sence in a game. And as such to add iconic species into the game is far more important to the overal feel and what it brings than getting overly hung up over if a Species can speak Basic or not. With wookie it might be too lore breaking to have them speaking with an English Accent but just cause Greedo couldn't speak Basic doesn't mean the species is incapbale of speak the language.