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My hat off to people who play dedicated tanks

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My hat off to people who play dedicated tanks

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JimG
02.10.2013 , 01:10 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by LordSkyKnight View Post
I had a commando and a shadow that kept using their punt skill to knock mobs away from me which in turn made it difficult to retain threat.
If you're playing with a PUG and this kind of stuff is happening, then the best way to teach them a lesson is don't try to get the threat back. Let the DPS'er deal with all the threat they are drawing and they'll be more apt to listen to instructions after they wipe.

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PlayLoud
02.10.2013 , 07:00 PM | #122
My main character is a Vanguard tank. I always appreciate a good team effort. I am very self conscious, so I am always making sure I am doing the best tanking job I can. That being said, I don't think my job is special or anything. While I enjoy tanking (which seems rare), I appreciate the other roles in a group. Good healers and good DPS are also very important. Nothing is better than a group where everybody knows their roles well. I'm just now learning to play a healer and DPS character. It helps me appreciate their roles all the more.
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Pingonaut
02.10.2013 , 08:47 PM | #123
I play a Guardian tank and I've got to agree. Some people think they're invincible as a DPS or that as a tank you have complete control over what mobs do, even after being told otherwise.

It's good to get some appreciation. Getting yelled at because I didn't hold the mobs someone pushed away from me and started taunting doesn't do much for me. I do love tanking, that's why I keep at it.

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caveslug
02.11.2013 , 02:08 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
If you're playing with a PUG and this kind of stuff is happening, then the best way to teach them a lesson is don't try to get the threat back. Let the DPS'er deal with all the threat they are drawing and they'll be more apt to listen to instructions after they wipe.
Or better yet if they continue to do it, leave the group and get another. I have to admit in all my time tanking I have never run across this, yes I know I'm lucky lol.
Closes I have been to something like this, was strangely enough a shadow tank. Who repeatedly used knock back on every pull, I can only guess he thought it was his AoE.
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Stenrik
02.11.2013 , 02:23 AM | #125
I honestly have no idea why so many people have had such bad tanking experiences. I PUG tanked a lot of flashpoints in both leveling and endgame, and I think it went really well. It was the first time I'd tanked in a game... I wasn't a guru, I just read advice on tanking, marked targets, and made sure people were on the same page.

People in the group knew what they were doing for the most part, and they were respectful of me. When someone DID break CC, we usually always still cleared. I kept aggro off healer, healer healed with a little more intensity... not a big deal. Flashpoints are designed with wiggle room in mind. (In fact, you really don't even NEED a tank for most encounters, even with HM's...)

People didn't automatically blame me if we wiped. Usually someone just said "my bad" and we lol'd. And if I screwed up, I called myself out on it too. I only remember ONE drama incident when I got blamed, and it actually ended up being (half) my fault, so it didn't upset me.

Granted, this was before F2P... is that where you guys are picking up all these supposed drama king/queens? Was I just extremely lucky?

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hages
02.11.2013 , 03:44 AM | #126
to the op. A good thread.
I play them all dps,tank and healing. and i love them all. but i have to point out that when i pug. it is not always the dps/healer fauld that a fp goes horrible wrong. Some people just can not tank. I was healing my *** off, bc the tank was **** geared. and i got loads of argo.
so when the tank was just dpsing one elite guess who got the argo of the rest. ME the healer. so what happend i had to heal myself and was typing for help. (i did my argowipes already) tank was just tanking elites. and he died bc of no heals. then he voted to kick me.lucky the dps told him that he was wrong so he just rage quit the group.

The one thing a tank must do is take argo of the healer. the worst geared a tank is, the more healing he needs or the stupid the dps is the more argo i get. Now what my point is that thare not many really good tanks. and that not everyone can do it. i respect the people who can and those guys are worth gold in theire guild!
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demotivator
02.11.2013 , 04:43 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by caveslug View Post
And 2nd don't do pre-50 flashpoints, unless you are ready for pugs like you experienced. Not saying you wont still run into these types of players at 50, but they are few and far between.
That's quite a stupid argument. Pre-50 FP are far more forgiving than HM in terms of mechanics, gear and group composition, it is possible to run any of them with a correctly geared companion to replace any missing role and - that's including a tank or healer provided the person owning the companion knows what's going on. Virtually any group of 2 people + 2 companions can run anything without a sweat till the last ones, with maybe the exception of Colicoid War Games (due to the turret fight and the puzzle after) and Red Reaper (due to that first pack of mobs that will rape your healer) depending on the classes.

Actually while leveling I always have a far better experience than I do once lvl 50 when I run HM with people who still haven't figured out how to play their class and have no clue about what is going on during the fights.
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Leafy_Bug
02.11.2013 , 05:28 AM | #128
I am in the game since the beta and rolled a shadow for the pure awesomeness a double bladed lightsaber brings to the yard . This is and shall be my firs/last MMO so I got into this game without knowing anything. I leveled KOTOR style, then went into the Eselles at level 10 and died like a noob. After spending there 2 hours solo (yeah i did not read the red text that said it requires a group ) I randomly asked, in general, why the hell I keep dying. Then I was told I need to be with some peeps. I levelled and was a pure infiltration shadow. Cleared tier one ops as a dps and never tanked.


BioWare decided to release Lost Island and my guild had, not tanks online when the servers came back, but they said, 'oh, we got irisa, his shadow can be a tank, lets go LI'. So i had over 700 columi coms, i went and bought a whole new set, field respec was not available back then, so my first tanking experience.. I wiped 4 hours at the sentinel droid, I wanted to ragequit the game, I got so angry. I had no clue what I was doing and to have LI HM as your first tanking experience really gives you a wake up call. My guildies, stood by me and said we stay there until we cleared it. We did clear LI HM and from that moment I never stopped doing anything else.



I am main tank , bis 63, (32k hp if i wanna) in my casual guild and cleared all the content (30% on kephess in nightmare as well, he dies this week ) and tanking, for me, along side healing, is the most engaging activity in a raid. i have a 2k+ dps sentinel as well, and a 2.4k HPS healer and I still go back to my shadow tank. Being pro-active, anticipating when your 2k dps-ers will nuke down the boss and giving them the comfort of not losing aggro is very nice. I got people in my raid who are 63 bis and when they pop everything they hit with 2k power as well as over 2k mainstat. Even as a shadow sometimes they turn for 1-2s until you get back on top of the aggro table.


Tanking, sad to say this, is not for everyone. Some of us, to understand our raid composition better, rolled each class and played it to see when the **** can hit the fan. This really helps you as a tank because you can be pro-active and generate threat at all times while having the luxury of keeping your taunts when your damage dealers unleash hell.



When I join group finder and meet trigger happy dps, mainly sentinels, I make sure to establish a rule : 'I am not here to fight for aggro. I am here to run a smooth flashpoint, clear it fast and spend as little on repairs as i can'. I say this after they leap a few times pull the whole room and then they cry for heals. This often happens in Lost Island and I am free to leave if we do not play as a team.

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Asavrede
02.11.2013 , 06:54 AM | #129
You can't judge tanking from playing in random flashpoints. Random flashpoints are full of morons (sorry but it's true). Even if you get 3 good players, there's always a turd in the punch bowl

ANYWAY, get to 50, get a steady raid team going and tanking is tonnes of fun.

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Witnezz
02.11.2013 , 09:14 AM | #130
Vanguard Tank main ...

When pugging I whisper the healer right off the bat, "keep me up, don't worry about anyone else, stay close
and nothing will touch you"

As long as they follow those instructions and use a nice evenly paced heal rotation I can keep agro and
stand there and get beat on all day
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