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FROIDBUSTER
02.02.2013 , 08:56 AM | #11
For a 17 skill investment and a 17-20 second cooldown it's a pretty middling effect.

I mean it obviously gets a lot of notoriety because Bubblestuns are A.) so noticeable and B.) stuns (also the fact that abilities that remove another players ability to play or move their character are always the most frustrating). However in the grand scheme of things, for the cost, a Bubblestun is hardly as powerful as most the other goodies players can get. The major difference is most of those goodies come in the form of stuff like flat damage reductions, damage boosts, or other effects that don't directly affect other players.

Although in all honesty it could probably be nerfed if Sorc/Sage had some valid alternatives. Since as is Bubblestun is basically the only tool a Sorc has to burst heal a non-self target. And not only does the lack of a Tech debuff cleanse mean certain classes still have an edge, Sorc bubbles share cooldowns with each other. Also Bubblestun is a much needed solution for the problem of Sorc survivability (especially given the tendency of Force speed/Overload to incur rubberbanding and thus lose the class what little defense it can get).

Also Vanguards pulling people to them only to stun their entire clumped team for you is *********** hilarious.

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Owynyo
02.02.2013 , 09:26 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by FROIDBUSTER View Post
For a 17 skill investment and a 17-20 second cooldown it's a pretty middling effect.

I mean it obviously gets a lot of notoriety because Bubblestuns are A.) so noticeable and B.) stuns (also the fact that abilities that remove another players ability to play or move their character are always the most frustrating). However in the grand scheme of things, for the cost, a Bubblestun is hardly as powerful as most the other goodies players can get.
Have you ever experienced going up against a ranked team with and without a bubble sorc? It's a huge difference.
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AdrianDmitruk
02.02.2013 , 09:50 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
Suffer the stun and just move on. It's not that big of a deal. I know that with all the QQn on this forum it's gonna get nerfed (which it shouldn't) but when it does you will just see Sorcs/Sages complaining about how they have no defensive CDs/abilities now and that will go on until the next update.

I haven't even specced into Bubblestun spec on my Sorc but as a healer spec right now, I'm finding less and less reason to join WZs on my Sorc because of how quickly I die and how much I get focused. It wouldn't be so bad if Tanks would peel while I'm healing but it seems people are so clueless. As it stands, I'm very close to trying out Bubblestun but I don't want to give up healing WZs. They just need to give Sorcs/Sages more defensive CD's/abilities.

Just no. More. Nerfs. Buffs instead please.
You can heal perfectly fine as a bubblestun hybrid sorc. I had an 826k ACW just last night, and average around 4-500k/warzone.

The numbers on the scoreboard won't be quite as big, but some of your healing shifts to utility/outright damage prevention that doesn't get reflected on the scoreboard. Bubblestunning the 4 melee trying to kill your target is the most obvious, but rooting overload can have the same effect of "hidden" healing. And yes, the 21/20 bubblestun hybrid is about the only way a sorc healer can wring a respectable amount of survivability in solo queue.

Enjoy the spec while it lasts. Pure corruption has almost no way to get the melee train off you. It's not like BW is ever going to listen to sorcs, not even after a million of them unsubbed in the wake of 1.2.
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02.02.2013 , 09:58 AM | #14
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NogueiraA
02.02.2013 , 10:07 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by tekhiun View Post
Every melee class has ranged attacks that can hit hard and break the bubble without the player be stunned. Use your brain instead and you wont need to respec.
I'm a marauder, bubble me and I'll jump on everybody distributing stuns. Bubble me again.

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02.02.2013 , 10:11 AM | #16
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02.02.2013 , 10:43 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
Suffer the stun and just move on. It's not that big of a deal. I know that with all the QQn on this forum it's gonna get nerfed (which it shouldn't) but when it does you will just see Sorcs/Sages complaining about how they have no defensive CDs/abilities now and that will go on until the next update.

I haven't even specced into Bubblestun spec on my Sorc but as a healer spec right now, I'm finding less and less reason to join WZs on my Sorc because of how quickly I die and how much I get focused. It wouldn't be so bad if Tanks would peel while I'm healing but it seems people are so clueless. As it stands, I'm very close to trying out Bubblestun but I don't want to give up healing WZs. They just need to give Sorcs/Sages more defensive CD's/abilities.

Just no. More. Nerfs. Buffs instead please.
I had the same experience on my healer sorc. There is an overwhelming amount of stuns and interrupts that make healing almost impossible. 3500k 3 second cast heals can't keep pace with 5500k instant dps attacks. And then there is LOS issues. Players rarely stand around in one place long enough to take advantage of the AoE target heal or unknowingly move and create a line of sight interrupt to the healing cast. If I play the sorc, I spend my time in a WZ trying to heal myself and dieing. I play other classes and games so I don't care if they nerf sorc some more. They are just cannon fodder already to my smuggler.

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AshlaBoga
02.02.2013 , 10:54 AM | #18
Anyone who think bubble sorcs are OP 1 vs1 usually doesn't play a bubble sorc. They're not that hard to counter.

Now as part of a ranked team... that's a different matter entirely.
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Jayshames
02.02.2013 , 10:55 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I'm literally at the point now where if I see a bubble stun I just quit the warzone. If it was only the sage that gave the stun I wouldn't care at all. But seeing an entire team running around with it is just annoying and completely broken.
It's already been stated that it will be fixed, they aren't going to just remove it, they need to find a way to re-balance Sorcs/Sages after it's been sorted.

Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
Suffer the stun and just move on. It's not that big of a deal. I know that with all the QQn on this forum it's gonna get nerfed (which it shouldn't) but when it does you will just see Sorcs/Sages complaining about how they have no defensive CDs/abilities now and that will go on until the next update.

I haven't even specced into Bubblestun spec on my Sorc but as a healer spec right now, I'm finding less and less reason to join WZs on my Sorc because of how quickly I die and how much I get focused. It wouldn't be so bad if Tanks would peel while I'm healing but it seems people are so clueless. As it stands, I'm very close to trying out Bubblestun but I don't want to give up healing WZs. They just need to give Sorcs/Sages more defensive CD's/abilities.

Just no. More. Nerfs. Buffs instead please.
Heal spec with bubblestuns is where they mostly come from, pretty sure there's no DPS who runs around bubbling whole team. The AoE heal is garbage for PvP anyway, drop the top 1/3 of the heal tree and grab bubble stun etc.

Anyways, bubble stun isn't even overpowered, it buys you 2 seconds or something, that's like 1 dark heal (sorc) which any DPS class geared or not can easily take off in 1 hit. You're only finding it frustrating because you get 2 sec stunned, how do you think we feel when we still inevitably die some time soon anyway.
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Raansu
02.02.2013 , 11:11 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Jayshames View Post
Anyways, bubble stun isn't even overpowered, it buys you 2 seconds or something, that's like 1 dark heal (sorc) which any DPS class geared or not can easily take off in 1 hit. You're only finding it frustrating because you get 2 sec stunned, how do you think we feel when we still inevitably die some time soon anyway.
It's not a single bubble that is an issue...its the fact that you can apply it to an entire team is when it causes problems, especially since it is an aoe stun that barely fills resolve. It takes roughly 4-5 bubbles to completely fill resolve and its a 3 second stun. K.O. from shoot first used to completely fill the resolve bar when it was a 3 second stun, and that was just single target.

Tell you what, you keep your team bubble stun if you give scrappers back their 3 second stun from K.O. and make it barely fill resolve, how about that?