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AshlaBoga
02.02.2013 , 02:52 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Somanliuus View Post
And then whats the point of running terror hard or denova nightmare? Bragging rights? I prefer to run knowing I will get an upgrade from the op.
Well Warstalker is clearly bragging rights since if you beat it in 2:01 instead of >2:00 you would still get the same gear. So to a large extent, yes it is a sense of accomplishment rather than gear that motivates many players.
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steave
02.02.2013 , 03:39 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Creslan View Post
I can understand a couple of pieces from the top tier being craftable, maybe mods and enhancements only. But you shouldn't be able to craft and GTN purchase the best gear in the game w/o stepping foot into the operation. Why not allow the crafting of elite war hero and let people craft and GTN sell that?
I wouldn't mind that, but the obvious difference is that PVE gear is used to fight NPCs, so if you choose to "earn" your gear or craft it only affects you and your team. PVP gear is used to fight players, so it affects the enemy team too.

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RendValor
02.02.2013 , 05:53 AM | #13
Also, it's not like being fully optimized in 63's will automaticly make you invincible. You still have to know how to play your character well and the boss mechanics
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AshlaBoga
02.02.2013 , 06:20 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by RendValor View Post
Also, it's not like being fully optimized in 63's will automaticly make you invincible. You still have to know how to play your character well and the boss mechanics
^^^ This. 100 times this.

A guy who bought a full DG set and then walked straight into 16 Man NiM EC would have a very very very small chance of getting the Warstalker title. Or downing 16 man NiM EC Kephess. Or 8 man NiM EC Kephess for that matter.
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02.02.2013 , 06:45 AM | #15
Hey there,
I am Kanre I am GM of Friendly Fire who are currently ranked 1 in the world of 16 man. We have cleared all content / farm all content, we have every single res for mods, enhancements, armouring’s, hilts and barrels from new content. We do not mind at all that people can buy these we actually really like it , however we are very pissed at Bioware for allowing people buy our mods ,enhancements , armouring’s , and hilts, barrels and place them in to their gear , this then takes off the crafters name and allows the items to be reversed engineered (witch is totally stupid bioware ) , we feel that to have the right to reverse and sell an item, it should not just bought it off the gtn to get the res. I see this as stealing, and don’t understand how Bioware has not fixed this known bug yet…….., I bet you if you could reverse the shells , of the gear on the cartel market and sell them for creds in the same way it would be fixed in less than a day.
I feel people who have not cleared any of the content let alone stepped foot in it , have these resipys that we worked hard to get …. I do not feel that buying gear is paying to win you earn your credits you should spend them on what you want, however I do feel that bioware is penalising those who work to get the recipes by letting any tom dick or harry revers them off the gtn witch kills the market …… bio ware you wander why you need a credit sinks??? it is because people do this and do not raid to spend the credits on repairs, on consumables. Use your brains plz …. And fix this

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Kenjigreat
02.02.2013 , 07:04 AM | #16
Read my Sig for my opinion on this

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02.02.2013 , 07:31 AM | #17
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gunte
02.02.2013 , 08:16 AM | #18
The actual problem is that the Dread Guard gear is so horribly terribly awfully optimized that some pieces are so bad you dont actually want either mod enhancement or armoring from it so in order to fully gear yourself you have to get the same item over and over because its the only one with the enhancement or mod you want.

For example on my Jedi Sentinel the hazmat implats that arent endurance heavy comes with a lot of crit, to offset this i need power mods but unfortunately the ONLY piece of gear that comes with the mod i want is the belt. So i need to get the belt drop like 8 times, great.
Thats where the problem really lies and its not like everyone can afford to fully 63 gear themselves, its a lot of stabilizers which incidently drop in tfb and ec anyway.

So if they remove the ability to have gear crafted for you they need to make the actual gear that drops better.. a lot better.
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02.02.2013 , 08:54 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Radzkie View Post
Hey, I'm the same as you. I cleared/farmed the games content to earn my dread guard set on my main. However, I do not mind people crafting and buying 63 mods/enchantments/armorings. If that's how they want to play the game, so be it. I bought some 63 mods for my alt, in fact, and will continue to do so. I just wouldn't want to gear up a character purely that way. For one, you don't get the set bonus with crafted armorings. Secondly, to me, it's not rewarding/fulfilling.
the set bonus doesnt matter because u put the 63 armour mods on a tionese, columi or rakata piece and u have the set bonus, as long u dont mind looking that way.

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Lord_Apophis
02.02.2013 , 09:18 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by kanare View Post
Hey there,
I am Kanre I am GM of Friendly Fire who are currently ranked 1 in the world of 16 man. We have cleared all content / farm all content, we have every single res for mods, enhancements, armouring’s, hilts and barrels from new content. We do not mind at all that people can buy these we actually really like it , however we are very pissed at Bioware for allowing people buy our mods ,enhancements , armouring’s , and hilts, barrels and place them in to their gear , this then takes off the crafters name and allows the items to be reversed engineered (witch is totally stupid bioware ) , we feel that to have the right to reverse and sell an item, it should not just bought it off the gtn to get the res. I see this as stealing, and don’t understand how Bioware has not fixed this known bug yet…….., I bet you if you could reverse the shells , of the gear on the cartel market and sell them for creds in the same way it would be fixed in less than a day.
I feel people who have not cleared any of the content let alone stepped foot in it , have these resipys that we worked hard to get …. I do not feel that buying gear is paying to win you earn your credits you should spend them on what you want, however I do feel that bioware is penalising those who work to get the recipes by letting any tom dick or harry revers them off the gtn witch kills the market …… bio ware you wander why you need a credit sinks??? it is because people do this and do not raid to spend the credits on repairs, on consumables. Use your brains plz …. And fix this

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This I agree with 100 %

My guild has been farming Terror HM for a long time, I was the first on my server to be able to craft Resolve Armoring 27, I sold 5-6 on gtn then suddenly was there another able to craft it, who not only almost certainly had learned it from me but also lowered the price of the armoring by setting it out for 400k less then me. Within a week was there 15+ able to craft the armoring and the price had been lowered by over 1 million.

Its not about the money I lose but about the fact that I spent hundreds of thousands if not millions of credits on repairs and consumables to be able to learn to craft that armoring, someone buying it from gtn should not be able to learn to craft it...

It dont care if people choose to gear up their chars by buying the armoring, mods and enhancements, it how I have geared up several alts, but only people that has "earned" it should be able to craft them.