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DonkeyGobbler
01.25.2013 , 07:38 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Theguffin View Post
Wow great job
If the downtime is to fix the Taral V bug which stops the FP being completed (and renders GF useless if that's the HM it decides upon) then, yes, great job.

The reason question, of course, should be how the hell did they make a change to the FP and not notice that it completely breaks the mission. Test it you say?

"Hey boss, I've finished the Taral V coding!"
"Great work son. Get that sh*t uploaded and let's go for lunch...."

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JediCahlwyn
01.25.2013 , 07:40 AM | #12
Fixed Taral V apparently. Plus some behind the scenes stuff I'm sure. Hey at least it's a fresh reboot to start the weekend!
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BJWyler
01.25.2013 , 07:41 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Theguffin View Post
they just had a 8 hour downtime, bugs are to be addressed there. but no instead of fixing things they create more problems.
First of all, welcome to the wonderful world of software coding. Been happening for decades, and it will continue to happen for decades to come.

Second, if the choice comes between waiting to fix a game-breaking bug until the next "routine" down time and having an "emergency" down time sooner to fix said bug, then the proper thing to do is #2, which is presumably what they are doing.

In terms of testing to find the Teral V bug before Tuesday's patch ... tough to say. There have been many a time where I have been a party to a procedure that was tested ad infinitum on a mirrored test network until it went like clockwork only to have something completely unexpected and unanticipated happen when that procedure was performed on the live network. Welcome to the wonderful world of technology.

BJ
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Rinth
01.25.2013 , 07:46 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by BJWyler View Post
If someone's play time is limited so severely that they can only play for 2-4 hours on only one day a week, then perhaps on-line games really aren't the types of games you should be looking to play.

BJ
What a lousy attitude and obviously from someone with lots of free time to play when they choose. So basically, because I work during the day and spend time with my spouse and kids in the evening these types of game aren't for me? Yep - I get a few hours in before work in the morning (pacific time) and that's it. I'v been playing MMO's for years and I get by just fine except when excessive downtime keeps me out of the game more than once or twice a week.

I was hoping that since this was a newer game that they would have had similar server architecture to Rift that has little downtime at ANY time of the day. Rift isn't (for me) anywhere near as fun of a game though so I guess I'll just post here in the forums when I can't play the actual game...

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BJWyler
01.25.2013 , 07:52 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Rinth View Post
What a lousy attitude and obviously from someone with lots of free time to play when they choose. So basically, because I work during the day and spend time with my spouse and kids in the evening these types of game aren't for me? Yep - I get a few hours in before work in the morning (pacific time) and that's it. I'v been playing MMO's for years and I get by just fine except when excessive downtime keeps me out of the game more than once or twice a week.

I was hoping that since this was a newer game that they would have had similar server architecture to Rift that has little downtime at ANY time of the day. Rift isn't (for me) anywhere near as fun of a game though so I guess I'll just post here in the forums when I can't play the actual game...
Kinda actually in the same boat you are - very little free time between the work duties and the family duties. However, I also realize that (again) there are 7 days in a week, and if I can't play one day then I will be able to play the next. My toons will still be there waiting. If there comes a time when my only free time happens to be on a Tuesday between 3 AM PT and 10 AM PT, then yes, I will find another game to play, because .... well it just doesn't make all that much sense to pay for a game I can't play, no matter how much I enjoy it.

Unfortunately, today is one of those days where I have some free time in the morning, but apparently a nasty bug that needs fixing is (hopefully) being fixed, so I'll spend that time reading and posting here and head back in game tomorrow (ironically enough probably to play the FP that will be fixed).

BJ
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Einobi
01.25.2013 , 07:58 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Eztro View Post
lol complaining about game maintenance as if it should not happen. -1 to you sir. Bad form.
-1 to you sir too for not differentiating the different type of maintenance. I don't complain about yesterday's maintenance if it is necessary (as you have alluded to).

However, I am not ok with today's maintenance being just less than 24 hours from the earlier maintenance. This latest maintenance is apparently to fix issues brought about by yesterday's maintenance. It shows lack of proper and comprehensive testing (due to indiscipline or laziness?) before the patch was rolled out yesterday. How do we know if we would have another maintenance less than 24 hours later to fix the current 'maintenance'. Its a vicious cycle whose source is firmly rooted in not having proper and comprehensive testing before patches are delivered to the live system.

It can be said that many other games are experiencing the same issues (lack of proper and comprehensive testing before live patch are brought into production) and it is true. It is also true that these same games are losing subscribers by the months.

I have played many MMOs over the last 10 years and I can say that the single game that can handle system updates and patching competently is EveOnline. It is no wonder that this game is older than WoW and yet it is still surviving in today's market. Its maintenance regime is only half-an-hour per day (7 days a week) at fixed timeslot with NO SURPRISES. Bottomline is --- they do not pissed off their players with surprise downtime.

It is just a plain shame that many gaming companies hosted many good artistic and marketing talents to design good game, create wonderful and enjoyable content, as well as to innovatively market them to the customers (E.g. f2p) only to be let down by the technical team (weakest link) and the customer service team (who will tell you to quit your subscription if you are not happy with such maintenance).

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discbox
01.25.2013 , 08:05 AM | #17
1.6.3a Patch Notes
1.25.2013
Cartel Market

The following armor sets will no longer incorrectly list helmet as part of the set description:
Sanctified Caretaker Armor Set
Malevolent Interrogator Armor Set
Clandestine Officer Armor Set
Interstellar Privateer Armor Set
Valiant Jedi Armor Set
Sith Raider Armor Set

Flashpoints and Operations

Taral V: Players will no longer be prevented from completing this Flashpoint on the step "Defeat General Edikar."

http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/1.6.3a/1252013

I don't know how some sets listed a helmet.
???

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BJWyler
01.25.2013 , 08:06 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Einobi View Post
-1 to you sir too for not differentiating the different type of maintenance. I don't complain about yesterday's maintenance if it is necessary (as you have alluded to).

However, I am not ok with today's maintenance being just less than 24 hours from the earlier maintenance. This latest maintenance is apparently to fix issues brought about by yesterday's maintenance. It shows lack of proper and comprehensive testing (due to indiscipline or laziness?) before the patch was rolled out yesterday. How do we know if we would have another maintenance less than 24 hours later to fix the current 'maintenance'. Its a vicious cycle whose source is firmly rooted in not having proper and comprehensive testing before patches are delivered to the live system.

It can be said that many other games are experiencing the same issues (lack of proper and comprehensive testing before live patch are brought into production) and it is true. It is also true that these same games are losing subscribers by the months.

I have played many MMOs over the last 10 years and I can say that the single game that can handle system updates and patching competently is EveOnline. It is no wonder that this game is older than WoW and yet it is still surviving in today's market. Its maintenance regime is only half-an-hour per day (7 days a week) at fixed timeslot with NO SURPRISES. Bottomline is --- they do not pissed off their players with surprise downtime.

It is just a plain shame that many gaming companies hosted many good artistic and marketing talents to design good game, create wonderful and enjoyable content, as well as to innovatively market them to the customers (E.g. f2p) only to be let down by the technical team (weakest link) and the customer service team (who will tell you to quit your subscription if you are not happy with such maintenance).
Another "Armchair Developer", sir? Obviously you have never worked on a tech team if you consider them the weakest link in the industry. Walk a mile, my good sir, walk a mile, then come tell us your complaints.

BJ
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Babyduck
01.25.2013 , 08:10 AM | #19
Considering this is not the normally scheduled maintenance we can probably assume this patch is related to bug fixes they feel need to be implemented ASAP.
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DarthTHC
01.25.2013 , 08:12 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Theguffin View Post
Wow great job
Seriously you're going to complain that they're fixing a bug within 48 hours of introducing it?