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Why no TfB and EC SM in group finder?


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LarryRow
01.28.2013 , 12:29 PM | #31
People shouldn't be able to waltz into this content with no skill, experience or gear and just be told a story. They should have to work for it a little bit. Wipes should be be expected from new 50s while they are getting better. My point is that people seem to think that any wipe in a story mode operation is grounds for immediate expletive-laden rage quit. And these are the people who should not use the group finder, not the newbies.
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wetslampigduex
01.28.2013 , 01:08 PM | #32
If they nerf anything else in this game your probably going to see the raiding community leave. Everything in the game barring NiM Kephess 16 man is pretty much face roll. Ec SM is areadly nerfed to the ground, Zorn and Toth you dont even have to tank swap in sm as it is, not to mention fearful only nerfs your dps in SM. Tanks lol same thing nothing but a tank and spank and run under the shields, not to mention you can aoe in the shields in SM and eat all IA and DD. The last two bosses are laughable compared to HM and NiM versions.

The fact that people still wipe in KP and EV is the very reason TfB and EC shouldn't be in GF. There is no reason to ever die in there except a group of 50's with 9k HP(yes i saw this on Ilum while running dailies to hit 50 on my Sorc who was 48 at the time and had 5k more HP than the 50, no he wasn't naked either cause i did check... lvl 28 gear in some slots).

To be honest I'm really amazed at the community as a whole. There is so many clueless people, not just f2p people either, people that have played since launch and still have trouble completing simple mechanics. I am by no means a perfectionist. This is/was my first MMO, I've played all Tank/DPS/Healer the hardest mechanic this game has to offer at this point is move away from red sh*t on the ground and tank swaps. The fact that people struggle with this is mind blowing. Oh forgot the hardest one which seems to kill all pugs interrupt.

Just friday two of my guildies went and joined a SM KP which was a GF guild run. Both tanks guard the healers. The healer from my guild kept clicking it off. One tank finally says hey stop clicking the guard off your going to pull aggro on me.... long story short the PT dps from my guild tanked Karagga cause tanks were bad(you should see the SS of the Fire around the room).

Yesterday join a KP HM for some coms. I ask this is for the weekly the group leader says yes. Another member says i'd like to run the entire thing i need the Rakata shells for my set bonus. I say why not use the free Tio gear you got when you hit 50? I get back "Are you *********** dumb, tio set bonus is attached to the armoring" I laughed pretty damn hard then I pulled the first boss right before he got inside the door and ended up with no gear lol. Jarg and Sorno.... 3 DPS on Jarg (2 were melee mind you) and my guildies on sorno 1 tanking 1 dps half way through the fight the dps guildie in vent asks me to type in to send another dps to help him. Before i did this i look at both Jarg and Sorno's health.... Jarg 62% Sorno 41% i say to him you better go help them. After they're dead all of the DPS is tying in chat wow i've never seen Jarg die so fast... i just rolled my eyes and kept going.

Moral of the story no EC and TFB in GF cause people are bad... we don't want to carry you

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Ghostius
01.28.2013 , 02:09 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by wetslampigduex View Post
If they nerf anything else in this game your probably going to see the raiding community leave. Everything in the game barring NiM Kephess 16 man is pretty much face roll.
Moral of the story no EC and TFB in GF cause people are bad... we don't want to carry you
From your post, I conclude you hardcore raid HMs and NiMs and your guild is very good one. So, why do you care about nerfing SM? You have nothing to do there, this really puzzles me
Also, why would raid community leave?? Totaly iloggical - ppl who raid HMs and NiMs will leave if content which they even dont do is nerfed. Contradicting,ha?
Carrying "bads"? Again, you arent even doing same ops difficulty as they would, so why bother? You will always have much better gear than they do, so again, why bother?
So, now after 5 years of hardcore raiding among 50-70 world best guilds, with many servers 1st kills, me and ppl alike are considered bads and we dont have right to see ops in ToR just so it can be reserved for hardcore crowd in organized guilds.
"Hey Bioware, dont let anyone in OPS, this is only place where we can showoff our skill and time we have among other mortals which we call bads." Really selfish behaviour from you, I must say.
I have 2 sons - one is smart and other one is not so smart (not stupid, just not so brilliant) - So I should buy new toy only to smart one and say to other: go find yourself a toy whereever you can, new toys are for smart kids only.??

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wetslampigduex
01.28.2013 , 02:24 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghostius View Post
From your post, I conclude you hardcore raid HMs and NiMs and your guild is very good one. So, why do you care about nerfing SM? You have nothing to do there, this really puzzles me
Also, why would raid community leave?? Totaly iloggical - ppl who raid HMs and NiMs will leave if content which they even dont do is nerfed. Contradicting,ha?
Carrying "bads"? Again, you arent even doing same ops difficulty as they would, so why bother? You will always have much better gear than they do, so again, why bother?
So, now after 5 years of hardcore raiding among 50-70 world best guilds, with many servers 1st kills, me and ppl alike are considered bads and we dont have right to see ops in ToR just so it can be reserved for hardcore crowd in organized guilds.
"Hey Bioware, dont let anyone in OPS, this is only place where we can showoff our skill and time we have among other mortals which we call bads." Really selfish behaviour from you, I must say.
I have 2 sons - one is smart and other one is not so smart (not stupid, just not so brilliant) - So I should buy new toy only to smart one and say to other: go find yourself a toy whereever you can, new toys are for smart kids only.??
Selfish behavior... take a long hard look in the mirror and ask who's selfish the small amount of people that your arguing for that are too 'selfish' to join a guild or me who's sick of spending 2-3 hours of my time in place i shouldnt be in for more than 30-40 mins tops. If joining a guild and raiding once every week or two(cause i'm sure there are a ton of guilds that'll take in casual 'aware' players just to run there alts thru raids, mine being one of them cause we have a few members with families and multiple jobs and we work around them fine) is too much to ask from you then i would say to you sir that an MMO you should not be playing.

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Ghostius
01.28.2013 , 03:10 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by wetslampigduex View Post
the small amount of people that your arguing for that are too 'selfish' to join a guild
Small amount? How do you know it is small amount? Just beacause you dont know they exist or beacause they are not very vocal on forums? I never said it was small or big amount, only fact is there is this kind of ppl.
And what is selfish about not joining a guild? Its really good for radiing guild not having ppl like me who often cant show up on time to participate in raid. Most guilds have rules about raiding times and punishments for those who dont show up - I dont want to be that kind of guy. If I promise smth, I will stick to that. Since I cant make that promise for IRL reasons, I better dont be in guild to avoid giving them problems.
And for the record, we dont have any raid to participate in, and you guys in raid guilds got all of them, on 3 dificulties. Admit it, 2 dificulties would be more than plenty for all of you.

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wetslampigduex
01.28.2013 , 03:25 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghostius View Post
Small amount? How do you know it is small amount? Just beacause you dont know they exist or beacause they are not very vocal on forums? I never said it was small or big amount, only fact is there is this kind of ppl.
And what is selfish about not joining a guild? Its really good for radiing guild not having ppl like me who often cant show up on time to participate in raid. Most guilds have rules about raiding times and punishments for those who dont show up - I dont want to be that kind of guy. If I promise smth, I will stick to that. Since I cant make that promise for IRL reasons, I better dont be in guild to avoid giving them problems.
And for the record, we dont have any raid to participate in, and you guys in raid guilds got all of them, on 3 dificulties. Admit it, 2 dificulties would be more than plenty for all of you.
Pure ignorance, We as a raiding community don't want to waste our time teaching people every boss for every raid every single time we q up for these. Everyone I've ever joined is carried by 2-3 players while the rest fluff along and take the spoils. 2-3 hours for a SM EV or KP is unacceptable learn the fights on your own time with like minded people. BTW i cleared a HM TFB in 47 mins saturday and a sm ec and tfb in under an hour all while 2 of my guildies were trapped in a SM KP from hell.

And yes i'd assume it's a small portion of the community your arguing for because anyone who really wants to raid would join a guild and let it be known I want to raid but i have RL commitments and not sure how often I can show.There are jerks in this game(like i am being) but not everyone is and a lot of people are willing to work with someone like yourself esp since you used to be a member of a raiding community. Like i said before my guild loves player like these cause most people that have been around since launch have 4,5,8, 10 alts that they'd love to raid with. We have one guy that pops on maybe twice a month and loves to raid anytime he pops on you'll almost instantly see people hopping to alts and calling out what classes they're going to run.

I understand you have RL things which without a doubt take priority but a lil more effort on your part could also go a long way.

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mikebevo
01.28.2013 , 04:20 PM | #37
SM is more than just about letting people see content; they are also use to give new raiders a chance to see the instance and get a understanding of the basic mechanics. It is also a way for raid leaders to test new players and see if they have the skills and abilities to proceed to the next level. So nerfing SM EC further or nerfing TfB will hinder raid leaders from making viable progress groups as people come and go from the game.

If anything I would be for changing SM EC back to before the nerf, and make another mode below SM call Pug mode. I wouldn’t touch a Pug group in SM TfB or SM EC, I only touch a Pug in SM EV or KP about once a month when they are begging general chat for a healer. I forget how bad it is and go, but quickly remember it is a mistake. I have been in groups 5 manning HM EV and that is easier than 8 manning SM EV with a PUG.

Someone mentioned SOA and getting down the platforms about people not getting healed. I have seen that too when I was healing, people refused to stack up for heals on the way down, and runoff in their own direction out of LOS of the healer. Follow the tank, stop when the tank stops and most healers are going be right there. Also you can get down taking very little damage, just pop defensive cooldown. I can take an infiltration shadow to the bottom with on one medpac and defensive cooldowns. I see people all the time do a few of the hmfp and the 50 daily heroics with 4 dps with no problems, they pop defensive cooldowns and self-heals, interrupt and get out of AOEs as they just breeze through content, but give them a healer and all they worry about is their dps numbers. You get a small taste in a couple fights in KP and EV, but TfB and EC are just as much about mitigating damage as they are about producing dps or heals. A concept that is completely foreign to most Pugs.

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DarthObelisk
01.28.2013 , 04:37 PM | #38
Do you really want to place your chances on the group finder for these two ops that require very specific classes to successfully complete?
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jeniyagyu
01.28.2013 , 04:51 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghostius View Post
Its really good for radiing guild not having ppl like me who often cant show up on time to participate in raid. Most guilds have rules about raiding times and punishments for those who dont show up - I dont want to be that kind of guy.
I think the BIG problem is your mistaking THIS raiding community for the hardcore babies in WoW (What my entire x-WoW raiding family calls it). MOST casual guilds do signs ups. Even if your only online one day, 3 hours a week JUST FOR one raid. Some guilds even do ALT runs when they are done with their harder stuff. Or if you get into a larger casual guild, you can hop online, "Anyone wanna run EC SM?" 90% of the time, you can get a random pug FROM the guild or at least SOME guildies for it, if not 8 complete people that want to gear alts, help you.

It is NOT all about guilds forcing you to raid when they are, sign ups seem to be a LARGE part of most guilds now and if you aren't signed up or even say "maybe" there is no punishment. And if you know what you work then you can sign up in advance and not worry about.

TALK to guild leaders, a lot of them are "life first" people and will let you sign up for stuff so that you know your going to be there (If you have a day off or something).

Please don't sit here and assume that ALL guilds will "punish" you for not showing up. I have NEVER had a guild or heard from a friend that was in a guild that He or I missed a raid because of real life problems and got kicked or where unallowed to raid again.

This isn't WoW. Srsly. We are not raid babies that kick people if they just can't make it because real life got in the way and we couldn't "OMG GET ALL THE LOOTS!"

I urge you to at least try a casual guild, or PM some guild leaders and talk to them about it. You will see that they will work with you and even in some cases will go beyond that to get a run for you going to see the content.

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moonshoter
01.28.2013 , 09:06 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghostius View Post
I would like to see OPS content in easiest mode, but at this point GF does not allow to queue for SM tfB and EC. I am kind of player that is not interested in HM or NMM, i just want to see,try and eventually kill those bosses on easiest level. Story modes are still too hard for unexperienced player going in pugs.

So could we get WOW-LFR version of all OPS, so that players who dont have guild/time/skill see all the content?
I would not even care if such "LFR" version drop Tionese or Columi armor, I would just want to see the content relatively easy way.
Atm, Im fully columi/rakata geared from HM FPs on 5 toons and I cant progress further with gearing/seeing rest of OPS, except for doing 1 HM fp a day for BH comms and dailys once a week. All that gear is earned thru GF meaning Im solo player ( no serious guild).
All this excitement with reaching lvl 50, gear up fast in HM FPs stops when you realize you cant do anything else. Then I let my 50s sit and roll new alt and level him up - got tired of it.
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DO you really want that ... it would prolly work but I like fast runs and usually just two boss run in SM TFB and
SMEC and even in HM KP and I would rather run HM KP with one tank two healers and the rest DPS and Why HM KP it's faster ..I have three 50 with more atw . ) so the faster the better once ive seen it on one 50