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We want arenas. Enough of pve content.

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We want arenas. Enough of pve content.

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Spoletta
01.20.2013 , 09:53 AM | #11
You have nailed the reason why arenas are a bad bad idea. Balance reasons.
This game is not balanced around small scale fights, but around 8v8 objective based fights. To balance it around small scale death match stile fights you would have to necessarily diminish the differences between classes. I like the actual class variety, so i say no to arenas.

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Roudyzor
01.20.2013 , 09:54 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoletta View Post
Fixed.
Don't get arenas in here. Thanks.
Dude. GET arenas in here.

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Roudyzor
01.20.2013 , 09:59 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoletta View Post
You have nailed the reason why arenas are a bad bad idea. Balance reasons.
This game is not balanced around small scale fights, but around 8v8 objective based fights. To balance it around small scale death match stile fights you would have to necessarily diminish the differences between classes. I like the actual class variety, so i say no to arenas.
Why would u say no to arenas I dont get it? Ofc some classes like marauder/pts would need some nerfs but other than that, this game is ten times more balanced than WoWs PvP since wotlk(if u can even call that pvp), but, once again WoW has arenas and we dont.

The reason arenas would work SWTOR is that all classes have quite some identical abilities like stuns/slows etc, which would make balancing process easier.

Doing arenas doesnt exactly mean u gonna get super-pooper PvP gear and stomp every1 in wzs. Just make it so that high-rated arena players would have acess to excluisive titles/outlooks/mounts and stuff like that which wouldnt affect stats.

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Spoletta
01.20.2013 , 10:07 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Roudyzor View Post
Doing arenas doesnt exactly mean u gonna get super-pooper PvP gear and stomp every1 in wzs. Just make it so that high-rated arena players would have acess to excluisive titles/outlooks/mounts and stuff like that which wouldnt affect stats.
I tried proposing this in other threads about arenas, but the general consensus was that arenas had to be part of gear progression.
Since they want it to be part of gear progression they will pretend that each class is equally capable of competing in arenas. I don't see any way to achieve this without major changes to how the classes work.
Couple this with the fact that pvp changes should never affect pve and you get why properly implementing arenas isn't feasible.

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Givemedanger
01.20.2013 , 10:14 AM | #15
Nope we do NOT.

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CaptainApop
01.20.2013 , 10:20 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Roudyzor View Post
but, once again WoW has arenas and we dont.
Arenas are also infamous in wow for being the primary cause behind a lot of stupid balance inconsistencies. You mention wow being imbalanced and **** and campaign for one of the reasons it ended up that way...

"omg 2v2 is the real pvp"
"2v2 is stupidly imbalanced, 3v3 is where it's at"
"lol u all suc, whats your ranked bg rating?!"

Which is why in my opinion it's best to shoot for balance in one format (in this case 8v8), get that somewhere good then bump up the variety in maps AND gametypes.
(Arenas by nature would just be deathmatches, which would be more than a little ****** in ToR atm since it's kind of a CC filled gibbfest)
I'm not saying that we're in anyway balanced but turning it into a herculean task isn't going to make things better.
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TheJackalistaken
01.20.2013 , 11:14 AM | #17
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Why? I think Arena's (4v4 comes to mind) are a wonderful idea. "Ranked" warzones should have never been set at 8 people. Its fun for pug games, but its a hassle with team composition unless you belong to one of the 3 or 4 main guilds.

I do, however, understand that class balance needs a HUGE pass before this happens. FOTM classes become more glaring the fewer the numbers.

Off the top of my head:
1) Rage spec needs a pass
2) Bubble stun needs to be looked at
3) OP healers are way too powerful
4) Sorc/merc dps needs a boost
5) OP dps needs a little more survivability or some sustained boost (careful with their burst though)
6) Pyrotech dps way too bursty, and survivability needs a little boost
I really really really hop they don't balance around arenas, RWZs are much more fun and less zergy imo, they are also a better test of coordination and strategy and reward both team and individual skill. As someone who did 3v3's for 7 seasons in WoW I really honestly believe that RWZs are a better test of overall skill and teamwork skills. Also if you want to do rateds simply start collecting as many good pvpers as possible and start getting comfortable with a set team or try to join one of the "main" guilds (on the bastion there are quite a few that do rateds). I can agree with the things you said above except for the changes to PT. Balancing around arenas would destroy what balance there is in the context of RWZs.
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sGroggy
01.20.2013 , 11:15 AM | #18
"WE want arenas"? Enough of some random guy telling others what I do or do not want.

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Brimmer
01.20.2013 , 02:51 PM | #19
Arena? No thanks. Balance the classes, get rid of pre-mades vs pugs and then I could see more people wanting arenas.
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wwkingms
01.20.2013 , 04:56 PM | #20
have you done rateds?

between clear cut habitual hacking

and terrible class balance


this game is far from arena's if ever
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