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Is shadow hard to play?


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A_nonymous
12.11.2012 , 09:45 AM | #1
I rolled a Consular last night before I went to bed. I'm at like level 4 at the moment. I'm wondering already about what advanced class to play. I was kind of leaning toward shadow because stealth and a double bladed light sabre appeal to me. However the idea of a melee class in light armor just seems like a bad idea.
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planet_J
12.11.2012 , 10:00 AM | #2
Shadow is awesome...dps is good in balance...infiltration is decent now...kinetic combat is a great tree to tank...if you like to pvp do a kinetic/balance hybrid like a 23/1/17 or something like it...and you will be a BEAR in pvp. If you want to tank in pve do a 31/0/10 and you will be very hard to kill.

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bobtheplumer
12.11.2012 , 10:04 AM | #3
in my experiences not really, they develop some really cool force powers so the shadow is not always in melee combat you do have alot of neat powers you can use from a distance and you can still use adaptive armor on the shadow i use it on pretty much all my characters so as far as armour goes i really never seen a difference between them i have a sith jug with the same armour rating as my shadow..
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A_nonymous
12.11.2012 , 10:28 AM | #4
My focus would probably be pure PVE/DPS. Which is better? Shadow or Sage? All my other toons are non-force users so I'm accustomed to standing back and blasting away at bad guys. Getting all up in their face in light armor is my main concern which makes me think Sage is better. But then if I go Sage, then I'm basically just doing the ranged attacking that I'm used to though I have the ability to melee as well which would seem to make it more balanced right?
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Dallayna
12.11.2012 , 10:30 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by A_nonymous View Post
I rolled a Consular last night before I went to bed. I'm at like level 4 at the moment. I'm wondering already about what advanced class to play. I was kind of leaning toward shadow because stealth and a double bladed light sabre appeal to me. However the idea of a melee class in light armor just seems like a bad idea.
I haven't found it to be. Spec'd Balance and usually have Theran with me- am up to 41 with no problems so far (3 maybe 4 face-plants total). Barely touch my shields and it's a rare fight that I absolutely have to hit Heroic Moment.

The major downs I've seen is that you really have to watch your energy levels- they go both up and down fast so, most fights are: HIT- HIT- ping- ping- ping- HIT- HIT- ping- ping- ping.... (rinse repeat). Also, you're not a tank-type tank so, you want to take out the little guys first if the larger enemy doesn't have something you need to interrupt and there might be a touch of kiting (moving out of the way of the aoe). It does seem to be a touch pricier to repair your gear- not anything I can't afford but the numbers are still a little higher than my other toons. And, lastly, you have to do the bonus series in order to make up for all of those groups of enemies that you stealth by if your soloing.

Major ups? Not only does the Shadow have quite a few interrupts but so does your healer and he'll use them too. A lot. (Plot-wise he's such a sleaze but mechanics-wise? Why can't I have one of him for all of my toons?) Also, because your energy goes up and down so quickly, usually, by the time I've run to the next group, I'm already up to full and ready to go. And... Of course... Stealth.... Those areas where any other type of toon would have to be fighting every other step are just sooo much easier to get through! Yeah, you get spotted sometimes but that "panic button" is almost always handy. I don't remember the name of the power but it allows you to instantly drop out of a fight and stealth.

Which is all just a veeeeerrrry long way of saying: "Yeah, it's easily doable because if an inexperienced player like me (prefer healers/sorc/sage) can get a toon up there, so can anyone." Just don't try to play like you're a Juggy/Guardian and you should be fine.

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KeyboardNinja
12.11.2012 , 10:44 AM | #6
I would say that a shadow is pretty easy to play at a faceroll level, but the results you get will be mediocre at best. If you are a skilled player, however, you can extract results from a shadow that put other classes to shame. They're phenomenal tanks, but their DPS is also quite outstanding. Very few classes can out-DPS an equally-geared shadow in the hands of a skilled player. (sentinels, vanguards and gunslingers are really the only ones) They also have a large amount of utility which makes for a good raid support character. Interrupts, stuns, stealth, etc. All of it is useful in competitive endgame PvE.

You unfortunately have a long and rocky road to get to that point though. Leveling as a shadow is pretty hard. Respect the people who find it simple! The way the shadow skill trees work, once you have all 41 talent points, you can spec yourself in almost any way imaginable and still be viable (at least in PvP). However, before you have all 41 talent points, no spec will be satisfying or complete. As an example, I leveled as a tank, and I felt *incredibly* under-powered and squishy until around level 45-46. Infiltration spec gets some decent talents early on, so it's probably the easiest for leveling, but even in that tree things kinda suck for a long, long time.

The other problem you will have is the stigma shadows carry (especially DPS shadows). We were FOTM for a long time, and so quite a large number of people rolled a shadow without having the slightest clue what they were doing. The consequence of this is that people simply assume that the shadow is a really bad class since the results they achieve are usually terrible (thank you, awful players). An intelligent raid leader is going to be aware of this and will judge you on your own merits, but you may not get that opportunity. Keep some videos handy of the top progression guilds using shadows/assassins for just such situations. :-)

Anyway, I do highly recommend rolling a shadow. It was my first (of many) characters, and I haven't regretted it for a minute. Well, actually that's only sort of true. I wish my shadow were an assassin, since their animations are dramatically better looking and their storyline is quite a bit more engaging, but we can't have everything. The class itself is phenomenal in any spec, and a worthy challenge for a player who likes to continually improve and develop his skills.
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A_nonymous
12.11.2012 , 11:18 AM | #7
So essentially Sage is stand back and cast and Shadow is sneak around and melee? Is that right?
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_biddan_
12.11.2012 , 03:03 PM | #8
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So essentially Sage is stand back and cast and Shadow is sneak around and melee? Is that right?
yes,pretty much,go for a shadow and you won't regret it.
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Sylvatica
12.11.2012 , 04:07 PM | #9
Being only level 25 Shadow, I must say the class is very enjoyable! I'm aiming for the 23/1/17 specc and already having a blast in pvp (going KC tree first)! And also the story line is very amusing, I've seen many ppl QQ about Act 1 being lame but I quite like it! Not going to spoil anything, but Shadow is def an interesting class to play/discover/..
Made me put away my Marauder, wich I started since pre launch !
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toyfanatic
12.11.2012 , 07:37 PM | #10
Between Keyboardnija's wise words and the OP's concerns lets simplify some of this.
The infiltration skill tree on the first set of skills has a ability that makes light armour as good as medium armour in terms of mitigation. So if you roll a DPS shadow you will be way tougher than smashers( sentinals). All shadows get two defensive cooldowns that are argued best in the game. Deflection and Resistance.
Shadow DPS is considered some of the best in the game, a Balanced spec'ed shadow will pull easily 1600+ in top gear. The infiltration spec will pull higher numbers but is harder to sustain than the balance spec.
Shadow tanking is godlike. Shadows are endowed with some of the best tanking utility of all the classes. Where other tanks will just have to take the attack for what it is worth a shadow can negate it . Doing so requires a active knolledge of your recieving damages type and your abilities usefulness. Shadow tanks maybee light armoured but require the least amount of healing of all the tanking classes. Shadow tanks don't lose threat.
While I love the sage , there is a few drawbackS. Yes the light armour doesn't off anywhere near the protection that a shadows light armour does. As a ranged class you are kinda a turret. The ranged is very nice except their dps is the worst of all the classes. The sage is widely considered the best of the healing classes. Leveling to 50 is easier on a sage. The reason of what order you get your compainions is set up for sage not shadow in the consular story line. It's frustrating doing class quests as a durable melee character with no healing untill lvl24.
Maybee this helps, I recomend you read some of keybordnijas other posts on shadows and read kitru's take on our class.
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