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An in-depth look at: Force Powers- Sever Force

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An in-depth look at: Force Powers- Sever Force

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Aurbere
11.22.2012 , 01:24 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Very interesting, this power in particular I wanted to know more about.

I believe what Darth Nihilius uses is an extreme version of force drain, although it is a Force ability in its own right used by ancient Sith but lost after the Great Hyperspace War. If you play darkside Meetra, this is the power (I believe) you use to kill the Jedi Masters and take their power.

Surik? I wasn't aware of this. (Unless you just mean what she did at Malachor V - but that was more instinctive than deliberate) When does Surik use it against Kreia?
I had suspected that Nihilus used a massive Force drain ability as well. But upon further research, I don't think it is the case. The best example of this is Katarr. Nihilus arrived in system and, despite the Jedi using their power to defend themselves, devoured the entire planet. Sparing only Visas Marr from destruction. Nihilus requires Force energy to survive. It's a hunger that consumes him. He kills anything touched by the Force. Jedi in particular are his greatest "meals". I don't consider it a drain as it just kills the victim.

As for Surik and Sever Force. She used it instinctively after the activation of the MSG, but used it against Traya during their final battle on Malachor.
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Beniboybling
11.22.2012 , 02:10 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
When she simultaneously cuts off Kreia's remaining hand and severs their force bond, it is why she has to resort to using a quite pathetic use of three lightsabers that basically fade in a few seconds.
Severing a force bond isn't the same a severing the connection to the Force is it? The fact she wielded lightsabers telekinetically seems to imply she still very much had the Force.

P.S. 'pathetic' is a strong word - only a few force users new how to use that power, wielding 3 lightsabers with the Force at a time is not only difficult, but also deadly to the enemy. (But thats just me being irked cause I'm a Trayarite )
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I had suspected that Nihilus used a massive Force drain ability as well. But upon further research, I don't think it is the case. The best example of this is Katarr. Nihilus arrived in system and, despite the Jedi using their power to defend themselves, devoured the entire planet. Sparing only Visas Marr from destruction. Nihilus requires Force energy to survive. It's a hunger that consumes him. He kills anything touched by the Force. Jedi in particular are his greatest "meals". I don't consider it a drain as it just kills the victim.

As for Surik and Sever Force. She used it instinctively after the activation of the MSG, but used it against Traya during their final battle on Malachor.
Hmmm, Wookieepedia lists it the Force drain section - but that's probably just speculation. But extreme force drain can and has killed. And he is effectively 'draining' them of the Force to kill them is he not? Then devouring what he drains.

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Rayla_Felana
11.22.2012 , 02:21 PM | #13
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Severing a force bond isn't the same a severing the connection to the Force is it? The fact she wielded lightsabers telekinetically seems to imply she still very much had the Force.

P.S. 'pathetic' is a strong word - only a few force users new how to use that power, wielding 3 lightsabers with the Force at a time is not only difficult, but also deadly to the enemy. (But thats just me being irked cause I'm a Trayarite )
No she did all three at the same time, she severed their bond by severing Traya's connection to the force, not completely, Surik doesn't seem to be able to use such a complete version of it, as Traya could clearly call upon the force through a much weaker connection, her final actions were very much a last ditch effort.

The Campaign Guide tells us Sever Force is how the Exile finished what was the first engagement between the two.

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Aurbere
11.22.2012 , 02:45 PM | #14
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Hmmm, Wookieepedia lists it the Force drain section - but that's probably just speculation. But extreme force drain can and has killed. And he is effectively 'draining' them of the Force to kill them is he not? Then devouring what he drains.
I think that's just speculation, but I'm not sure. It could be a massive Force Drain, but it just doesn't seem like it as Nihilus' very presence drains the life of those around him. I think we see a zombie-like crew on the bridge of the Ravager, showing how he has drained their energy over-time. On the Devastation of Katarr wiki page, it says that his very presence and an old Sith technique caused the destruction of Katarr. It could be Force Drain, but I am doubtful. On first glance it seems like Force Drain, but I am doubtful if it is or not.

Edit: Just visited the wiki page for Force Drain and it shows Nihilus as using Force Drain. It is plausible, but its on such a massive scale. Something like that requires tremendous power, which could be possible as Nihilus was eventually consumed by the Dark Side.
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Beniboybling
11.22.2012 , 02:49 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I think that's just speculation, but I'm not sure. It could be a massive Force Drain, but it just doesn't seem like it as Nihilus' very presence drains the life of those around him. I think we see a zombie-like crew on the bridge of the Ravager, showing how he has drained their energy over-time. On the Devastation of Katarr wiki page, it says that his very presence and an old Sith technique caused the destruction of Katarr. It could be Force Drain, but I am doubtful. On first glance it seems like Force Drain, but I am doubtful if it is or not.
I wouldn't say its simply a amplified version of Force Drain, but it certainly exists in that realm, or at least is some form of it if you know what I mean. Much like Wall of Light is a version of Sever Force.
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No she did all three at the same time, she severed their bond by severing Traya's connection to the force, not completely, Surik doesn't seem to be able to use such a complete version of it, as Traya could clearly call upon the force through a much weaker connection, her final actions were very much a last ditch effort.

The Campaign Guide tells us Sever Force is how the Exile finished what was the first engagement between the two.
Yeah I meant at the same time.

OK I see what you mean there, its strange that Surik uses it so instinctively (I doubt she intended to sever her from the force by chopping of her hand - I suppose she literally went with the flow) She is definitely a unique case.

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Aurbere
11.22.2012 , 02:54 PM | #16
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I wouldn't say its simply a amplified version of Force Drain, but it certainly exists in that realm, or at least is some form of it if you know what I mean. Much like Wall of Light is a version of Sever Force.
Based off of what is written on the wiki page, it seems plausible that Nihilus has this ability on a massive scale. But that still doesn't explain why his presence slowly drains the life from those near him. This could be attributed to his power in the Dark Side, as he had essentially been consumed by the Dark Side.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
11.22.2012 , 02:59 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Based off of what is written on the wiki page, it seems plausible that Nihilus has this ability on a massive scale. But that still doesn't explain why his presence slowly drains the life from those near him. This could be attributed to his power in the Dark Side, as he had essentially been consumed by the Dark Side.
We can't attribute this power to Force drain completely. While it may be a strain of it, there is definitely more to it than a simple amplified version. As for his presence draining others, I think that is more a side effect of using the power, as is his loss of speech and tangible form. He has effectively become a black hole, and I suspect he instinctively uses his 'force drain' variant on those around him - such is the extent of his hunger. (I'm starting to sound like a cryptic Jedi )

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Aurbere
11.22.2012 , 03:07 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
We can't attribute this power to Force drain completely. While it may be a strain of it, there is definitely more to it than a simple amplified version. As for his presence draining others, I think that is more a side effect of using the power, as is his loss of speech and tangible form. He has effectively become a black hole, and I suspect he instinctively uses his 'force drain' variant on those around him - such is the extent of his hunger. (I'm starting to sound like a cryptic Jedi )
Yes you are

As for Nihilus. His use of his power had turned an addiction. His constant use of it started to make him dependant on it, eventually consuming him. His very thoughts became bent on finding another meal, to the point that he could find Jedi from across the galaxy. His will turned into a desire to feed his hunger, a hunger that could never be satisfied. Such is his nature, and that of the Dark Side itself. He had become a black hole, never capable of sating his hunger, and becoming a danger to all living things. Even a danger to himself, for if he had consumed the galaxy, his hunger would consume him and he would die a slow death in an empty galaxy.

I just realized that I can be cryptic talking about doom and gloom...
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Beniboybling
11.22.2012 , 04:21 PM | #19
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Yes you are

As for Nihilus. His use of his power had turned an addiction. His constant use of it started to make him dependant on it, eventually consuming him. His very thoughts became bent on finding another meal, to the point that he could find Jedi from across the galaxy. His will turned into a desire to feed his hunger, a hunger that could never be satisfied. Such is his nature, and that of the Dark Side itself. He had become a black hole, never capable of sating his hunger, and becoming a danger to all living things. Even a danger to himself, for if he had consumed the galaxy, his hunger would consume him and he would die a slow death in an empty galaxy.

I just realized that I can be cryptic talking about doom and gloom...
Lol, this guy is starting to sound like Darth Baras "His very thoughts became bent on finding another meal". Yeah, definitely Darth Baras.

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Aurbere
11.22.2012 , 05:25 PM | #20
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Lol, this guy is starting to sound like Darth Baras "His very thoughts became bent on finding another meal". Yeah, definitely Darth Baras.
It is said that Darth Baras' life-long goal is to surpass Nihilus' hunger.

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Added Chapter 66 to The Shadows Fall
"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus