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Section X is terrible


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-Samhain-
11.21.2012 , 07:01 AM | #1
Ok, so I spent most of the last few days getting HK-51 on all of my lvl 50 toons. I found the HK-51 quest to be quite enjoyable and definitely easy enough to bypass the 1million credit cost in order to obtain it on all my toons (even those that I won't even bother using him on). So after I finished my HK-51 quests, I decided to take a shot at the new Section X dailies to see what they were like. My conclusion: the Section X dailies are buggy and the difficulty of them is extremely disproportionate compared to the rewards you receive. Now, let me just say that not all of them are this way, but for most people that don't spend their entire lives doing dailies it seems like a lot of time and effort to spend even for weekly rewards considering how difficult some of the dailies are.

Lost Reconnaissance:
Whose bright idea was it to make the Wild Beast portion of this so stupidly rare? Ok, so if I kill a group of 4 Tuk'ata I get ONE kill closer to the 18 I need to complete the quest, but if I kill a group of 5 Bogwings I get 5 kills closer? Needless to say Bogwing groups are rare while the place is virtually littered with Tuk'ata and DROID groups that seem to do absolutely nothing (perhaps the droid groups are for the Republic?). Anyway, this needs to be adjusted. Granted it's a heroic 2 mission but who is honestly running more than 1 person regularly for such a simple quest? This is just a time sink as far as I can tell.

March of the Dread Guard:
Defend the Shipment all over again. Currently this quest seems to be bugged as you are unable to free the Prison Leaders.

Targeted Misfire:
The drop rate on the Airstrike Codes off of Marksmen is absurdly low. This needs to be adjusted immediately somehow. The amount of Marksmen spawns is already low, though there seems to be no shortage of strong and elite level jedi in the area. On top of this the respawn rates are abysmal. Add to this a low drop rate on the codes and it's a recipe for a ridiculous time sink. Everyone is running around trying to find 1 Marksmen in a group of 6 mobs, and even if you happen to find 3 marksmen in a single group, chances are you're likely to see zero code drops. It reminds me of Deadly Mutations if Deadly Mutations required a drop from the Cthon's.

The Aurora Cannon:
I have yet to even try Aurora Cannon yet. The consensus seems to be that it requires at least 3 people to do it, if not 4. Therefore I won't be doing this quest until sometime over the weekend. I understand this is a 4man Heroic though so I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt on this one for now.

Data Raid:
A fairly easy mission, though the amount of strongs and elites seem fairly high considering the rewards. I have no major complaints about this mission, it seems balanced enough, though it should be on the more difficult end of the spectrum for a DAILY.

Hyperbiology:
No problems here, I think this is a well balanced quest, maybe even too easy, but maybe I only think that after I've done the rest of the missions.

Let me just say that I ran this on my main and these are my initial impressions. My main is a geared Assassin Tank with a decently geared HK-51 companion, which means that things are usually significantly easier for this toon than for other toons that I have at 50. I can run Black Hole dailies (including Torvix) in 20min solo. I haven't even finished all of the dailies on Section X and it's been over an hour...yet for some reason both of these daily sections give the same amount of Black Hole Commendations. Considering I get 5 Black Hole Comms a day from just doing Flashpoints what incentive do I have to ever come back here for a WEEKLY?
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mokkh
11.21.2012 , 07:08 AM | #2
For lost recon, droid groups are republic and I'm assuming the ta'kata thing is a bug. The march of the dread guard unshackled leaders is an obvious bug and I agree on the drop rate for marksmen.

The aurora cannon absolutely requires 4 people to finish simply because of the trigger mechanics for the very last step. And you should try it, the instance is a lot of fun.

Having done section x for both factions multiple times over, it does take longer to complete but they jacked up the rewards on them so it seems to compensate properly. Aside from the obvious kinks its actually a well thought out piece of content.

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HarleysRule
11.21.2012 , 07:31 AM | #3
Yeah not too fond of this area. Seems BH is still the best return on credits/comms vs time spent. FFS it takes longer to fight through all the trash to *get* to the H4 than it takes to do all your BH dailies (including Torvix). If BW wants froobs to buy Section X they should make the payoff for doing the area better.

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Lost Reconnaissance:

March of the Dread Guard:

Targeted Misfire:

The Aurora Cannon:

Data Raid:

Hyperbiology:

Let me just say that I ran this on my main and these are my initial impressions. My main is a geared Assassin Tank with a decently geared HK-51 companion, which means that things are usually significantly easier for this toon than for other toons that I have at 50. I can run Black Hole dailies (including Torvix) in 20min solo. I haven't even finished all of the dailies on Section X and it's been over an hour...yet for some reason both of these daily sections give the same amount of Black Hole Commendations. Considering I get 5 Black Hole Comms a day from just doing Flashpoints what incentive do I have to ever come back here for a WEEKLY?
LR: Agree this is stupid in that I was only getting credit for silver or gold mobs, other than that one group of bogwings you mention.

MotDG: I only saw one leader that was bugged, but considering how many people are running around trying to free them, they should probably add a couple more even if/when that is fixed.

TM: Eh I only had to kill 6 of them to get the 3 codes, but they could probably add a few other marksmen spawns or marksmen to some existing ones.

AC: I'm just gonna /boggle over complaining about needing 4 peeps to do a H4 here. IIRC the reward wasn't really worth it, but I only ran it once on day one and haven't looked back...just like the rest of the area.

I agree with the rest of your review.

I think the only time I'll be going back to Section X is if I want to unlock HK for another one of my 50s. Highly disappointed with Section X other than the HK 51 parts.

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Danylia
11.21.2012 , 07:37 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by -Samhain- View Post
March of the Dread Guard:
Currently this quest seems to be bugged as you are unable to free the Prison Leaders.
To free the Prison Leaders, you have to select them and then use the item you obtained earlier that mission. It's a bit counter-intuitive, since you release the "normal" prisoners by clicking on the active placeables there, but it worked for me 100% of the time (if you know this and it still doesn't work for you, then yes, it is bugged and I was obviously just lucky).
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HarleysRule
11.21.2012 , 07:41 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Danylia View Post
To free the Prison Leaders, you have to select them and then use the item you obtained earlier that mission. It's a bit counter-intuitive, since you release the "normal" prisoners by clicking on the active placeables there, but it worked for me 100% of the time (if you know this and it still doesn't work for you, then yes, it is bugged and I was obviously just lucky).
One of them is or was bugged in that when you clicked your icon when he was targetted, it said he's not shackled or some such message, but AFAIK it was just one of them.

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Hystorian
11.21.2012 , 07:43 AM | #6
I agree, there is no point for me in doing dailies in Section X, because time/reward ratio is much worse. I will much rather spend 45 mins for BH and Illum dialies for a total of 120k, than 2 hours for 100k in Section X.
Increase in daily comms gives nothing cos they are worthless in game. In those two hours I manage to finish other two daily areas plus a HM FP. Rewards simply do not correspond to difficulty of content. In my opinion they should make credit drop for this similar as in TfB, double at the very least.
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-Samhain-
11.21.2012 , 07:45 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Danylia View Post
To free the Prison Leaders, you have to select them and then use the item you obtained earlier that mission. It's a bit counter-intuitive, since you release the "normal" prisoners by clicking on the active placeables there, but it worked for me 100% of the time (if you know this and it still doesn't work for you, then yes, it is bugged and I was obviously just lucky).
On Bastion tonight all 3 were bugged from what I could tell. I selected all 3 and was unable to use the device in the quest log on any of them.
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Arlon_Nabarlly
11.21.2012 , 08:02 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by -Samhain- View Post

Lost Reconnaissance:
Whose bright idea was it to make the Wild Beast portion of this so stupidly rare? Ok, so if I kill a group of 4 Tuk'ata I get ONE kill closer to the 18 I need to complete the quest, but if I kill a group of 5 Bogwings I get 5 kills closer? Needless to say Bogwing groups are rare while the place is virtually littered with Tuk'ata and DROID groups that seem to do absolutely nothing (perhaps the droid groups are for the Republic?). Anyway, this needs to be adjusted. Granted it's a heroic 2 mission but who is honestly running more than 1 person regularly for such a simple quest? This is just a time sink as far as I can tell.
I found this really easy to solo, but my main is half dread guard/half campaign geared.

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March of the Dread Guard:
Defend the Shipment all over again. Currently this quest seems to be bugged as you are unable to free the Prison Leaders.
When I ran this I found that a single leader was bugged, but I was able to find one that wasn't and do him over and over again. Refresh rate is pretty quick.

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Targeted Misfire:
The drop rate on the Airstrike Codes off of Marksmen is absurdly low. This needs to be adjusted immediately somehow. The amount of Marksmen spawns is already low, though there seems to be no shortage of strong and elite level jedi in the area. On top of this the respawn rates are abysmal. Add to this a low drop rate on the codes and it's a recipe for a ridiculous time sink. Everyone is running around trying to find 1 Marksmen in a group of 6 mobs, and even if you happen to find 3 marksmen in a single group, chances are you're likely to see zero code drops. It reminds me of Deadly Mutations if Deadly Mutations required a drop from the Cthon's.
This is the only one out of your listed issues that i found to be really problematic. I think doing this quest took as long as all the other combined.

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The Aurora Cannon:
I have yet to even try Aurora Cannon yet. The consensus seems to be that it requires at least 3 people to do it, if not 4. Therefore I won't be doing this quest until sometime over the weekend. I understand this is a 4man Heroic though so I'll give Bioware the benefit of the doubt on this one for now.
I requires a full group of 4. There is a mechanic where two people have to click a shield to bring it down, 2 guys go through. Then the 2 that went through click from the other side to get the rest through. This is clearly intended to force people to do the 4 man as a 4 man and not to 3 or 2 man it. It's a little annoying, but it's clearly how they intended it.

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POPsi
11.21.2012 , 08:03 AM | #9
have to agree, took a look around in the section, checked the quests once, and decided to never go back there to do dailies. I'm still better off doing BH and 2 H2s on Belsavis in half amount of time.

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parmie
11.21.2012 , 08:03 AM | #10
I'd mostly agree. The area is large yet packed with mobs (is that to offset respawn times?). I certainly wouldn't do Section x more than once a week.