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Why can't the player play as a Gray Jedi/Sith

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Why can't the player play as a Gray Jedi/Sith

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ZoeTuah
11.09.2012 , 12:43 PM | #11
The entire good/evil light/dark dichotomy is a mess. And demanding that players play into it makes it even worse.

In my opinion, morality should never have a point system and always be full of gray areas. And Force shades should never be directly tied to morality.

I feel that deeper, darker emotions are necessary for somebody to truly understand empathy and compassion. If a Jedi never feels the pain of loss and despair, and all the emotions that come with it, they lose sight of what they're fighting for.

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Wolfninjajedi
11.09.2012 , 12:44 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by HoloTweed View Post
Perhaps... but expanding the concept a bit, the lack of "gray" options for characters (which we were told back at launch were underway) seriously gimps a large percentage of smugglers/agents and bounty hunters/troopers who don't see the world (for the most part) as just black or white. It's pretty unfair to be penalized for playing a character IN character instead of artificially making Light or Dark decisions just to get a relic.
There are non light and dark relics out there, you just need to look.
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chuixupu
11.09.2012 , 12:45 PM | #13
Right now if you don't care about using the green/blue quality relics while you're leveling, you can be gray and stay gray. I did on one of my characters unintentionally and I didn't feel it hurt all that much. end game and pvp relics aren't alignment restricted.
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LordArtemis
11.09.2012 , 12:48 PM | #14
In my opinion, just mine mind you, A grey jedi is a dark alignment jedi, and a grey sith is a light alignment sith.

I feel, based on the lore and the actual responses in the game that choices that give dark alignment points to jedi and light alignment points to sith tend to be "middle of the road".

The only characters in the game that seem to have a real "grey" alignment, IMO, based on in game responses would be any other class besides the force users.

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Datku
11.09.2012 , 12:59 PM | #15
You can play neutral if you like. Leveling up you will see dark side / light side requirements on some items but everything end game has no requirements. Sure there are light side mounts and dark side mounts or you just buy the exact same mount on Voss that is brown instead of black or white. Play the game how you want without worrying about keeping light or dark sided. Other than titles and again a few items while leveling up (that are really nothing special) you really don't need to worry about alignment. Sure relics are tied to them but as others have said there are non-alignment relics out there as well.
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FINNT
11.09.2012 , 01:00 PM | #16
Aren't all those who break Jedi Orders tenents gray jedi? So all who do little hokey pokey are grey?
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Andryah
11.09.2012 , 01:04 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Would you say it has more or less than fifty?
Yes, I would.

See what I did there?
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Andryah
11.09.2012 , 01:06 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by ZoeTuah View Post
The entire good/evil light/dark dichotomy is a mess. And demanding that players play into it makes it even worse.
Players are not forced to play into it though. Very little is denied to a player if they do not make clear force choice in their alignment... and if that's the way they go... that is their choice to make.
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ZoeTuah
11.09.2012 , 01:14 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Players are not forced to play into it though. Very little is denied to a player if they do not make clear force choice in their alignement... and if that's the way they go... that is their choice to make.
Option 1: Let him live. [Light]
Option 2: Rip out his heart and eat it. [Dark]

A major part of the Dark Side is emotional intensity, which could very well include sympathizing with others' pain.

I could make the decision to let somebody live for many reasons, which all tie into my character's deepest philosophies and feelings.

If points should be awared at all, it should be more like this:

Option 1: Let him live, so he also won't have to feel the pain of death. [Dark]
Option 2: Remove yourself from your emotions, and kill him to save others. [Light]

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Andryah
11.09.2012 , 01:27 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by ZoeTuah View Post
I could make the decision to let somebody live for many reasons, which all tie into my character's deepest philosophies and feelings.

If points should be awared at all, it should be more like this:

Option 1: Let him live, so he also won't have to feel the pain of death. [Dark]
Option 2: Remove yourself from your emotions, and kill him to save others. [Light]
Yes, you can and people do. It's not like any single choice flips your allegience level in this game (except maybe at character level 2 or 3 )

Some of that is already factored into the quest lines.

Some class quests force you to play against your force side choice in order to complete them. There are tons of ways to gain force points from either side as you play... so there is plenty of latitude to toy with some shading and still not affect your allegience level.

TL;DR there actually is no pure light or dark in this game.....and the allegience level system already accounts for this such that in game play mechanics light/dark is essentially binary rather then a zillion shades of gray.
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