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Ahl-Vinn
11.17.2012 , 08:54 PM | #251

DO NOT TAKE THIS THREAD'S COMPLAINT SERIOUSLY, PLEASE!

The original poster is simply heated after losing a few warzones matches or underperforming. Bubbles are a team-capable defensive tactic that has a cooldown *ON THE RECIPIENT* of the bubble; it's just fine and does not need any tweaking.

The few defensive abilities currently in that aid other members of a team are great as-is.

Ahlvis, of Server Begeren Colony, SWTOR
Ahl-Vinn, formerly of Servers Bria and Starsider, SWG
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AdmiralParmesan
11.17.2012 , 08:57 PM | #252
As a long time sorc player and main sorc dps pvper I can say the bubble stun is very stupid currently. But even more stupid are some of these suggestions from people who don't even play the class. I try my best as a dps sorc in rated, but the fact is we are not valuable. This bubble stun is the closest dps sorcs have come to even having a real purpose in a rated warzone.

Changing the stun back to a mezz is a terrible idea. Both lightning, the hybrid and madness are all based around having at least one DOT on the target. This is why the mezz didn't work as a defensive tool, the blind may occur but most of the time the target is going to be instantly broken out of the cc thanks to your dots. The bubble stun should only effect the casting sorc.


However with this change other adjustments need to be made as well. Sorc/Sage dps suffers greatly from having no defensive cooldowns or unique offensive cooldowns compared to the alternative Assassin/Shadow classes. Not only this, but sorcs/sages also have no unique CC options available to them either (aside from the bubble stun). Combined with the fact Sorcs/Sage DPS has difficutly creating any damage under pressure, has the lowest passive defense and arguably has the worst burst capability in the game.

THE SAGE/SORC DPS SPECS NEED A DIRECTION IN PVP.

The class excels at nothing and even the full healing tree is an "okay" choice, but not a good decision for any healer that likes some degree of independence. This "bubble stun" healing spec has become so popular because it is the best way a sorc/sage can contribute, and this bubble stun is also the best way a DPS sorc/sage can contribute. There is a fundamental flaw in the game when playing a full dps sorc/sage means that you are only an offhealing and CC bot that can dps.


It is sadly disgusting how many melee just want the ability nerfed to thh ground so sorcs can be perfectly free kills again.

For those of you who wanted Ideas I posted this a while back on ways to make the sorc/sage classes more competitive and fun to play. Its a little bit old, but I tried to come up with some interesting ideas.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=537558

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AdmiralParmesan
11.17.2012 , 09:08 PM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by MidichIorian View Post
So roll a sorc/sage if they're so damn good. I didnt see you on the barricades back when they were 3 second kills. Had people like you not defended the real OP classes first chance you get there might have been some actual class balance in this game. The only reason sorcs/sages are specing hybrids is because it's the only way of surviving long enough to do something , and they're sacrificing their already poor dps because of it.

And yes you are playing an OP class because as ranged it wouldnt be an issue. I'm more or less never getting stunned on my ranged classes. Or work on your awareness.

It's also funny how the people who complain never have a bubble throwing sorc/sage on their own team. That's a case for the mythbusters.

Having 30K AOE'es and more AOE damage per target than other classes have as single target burst = Fine
Getting bubble stunned = cries
Does not compute!
This.

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Sulfuren
11.17.2012 , 09:33 PM | #254
I been quite an avocate for this change.. and now I have a new reason.

This -one- spell, can single handedly -SHUT DOWN- Ops/Scoundrels from attempting to take them out effectively.

That one spell, countering an -ENTIRE CLASS-

Do you see the problem yet? Do you still want to keep advocating to keep this spell the way it is?

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Lafay
11.17.2012 , 09:38 PM | #255
^ im with stupid.

Yea it shuts down a few classes with this one spell, not just ops. A good bubble/heal spec sorc has no counter at the moment, maybe a sniper? I dont know but i do know a good sorc that plays this spec and recently won a dueling contest... as a healer lol...

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Nyracasso
11.17.2012 , 09:43 PM | #256
If juggs/maras can lolaoesmash for 5-8k then I see no problem WHATSOEVER with an ability that has an aoe melee stun.

It's called BALANCE, kids. You get your toys, but we get our toys too.

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Sulfuren
11.17.2012 , 09:50 PM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyracasso View Post
If juggs/maras can lolaoesmash for 5-8k then I see no problem WHATSOEVER with an ability that has an aoe melee stun.

It's called BALANCE, kids. You get your toys, but we get our toys too.
Yet, has BW clearly seen, "lolsmash" can be -COUNTERED-.

This, not so much.

Stop with the "one for one" garbage, its not helping at all.

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Lafay
11.17.2012 , 09:58 PM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyracasso View Post
If juggs/maras can lolaoesmash for 5-8k then I see no problem WHATSOEVER with an ability that has an aoe melee stun.

It's called BALANCE, kids. You get your toys, but we get our toys too.
not so much a toy, mostly the only thing that keeps a sorc alive at the moment. If it wasnt for this then sorc would be a lot less usefull. It will get nerfed, there is no denying the OP.

The real question is if BW will manage to successfully do it and keep sorc still a competitive class. There will be a fine ballancing act here, they should really look into a defensive cooldown for sorc and then full resolve(lowest resolve generating stun, and yet, most common too hmmm OP) those bubbles and call it a day.

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Omble
11.17.2012 , 10:06 PM | #259
Heh, this is priceless. People saying one 3 second stun is shutting down entire classes. It's on a 20s cooldown for 1 and it's totally useless against ranged classes. We have almost no defensive abilities and they wanna take away even more from us? Tell you what, give us back Chain Lightning from Wrath and you can have the stun effect caster only.

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MidichIorian
11.17.2012 , 10:23 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Lafay View Post
.... they should really look into a defensive cooldown for sorc
Hell no! It's a light armor class and should not have a defensive CD to make up for that. It should however have the output to make up for the squishiness and if sorc/sage output was on the same level as the best dps specs, or preferably higher due to the light armor, we wouldnt have hybrids. People would spec for burst instead of survivability since it's more fun to kill than to run around and throw bubbles.