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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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GnarKillah
09.03.2013 , 03:45 PM | #5761
Don't need class balance
Don't need to take away abilitie to que with friends
Do need to learn to play.

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Sharee
09.04.2013 , 12:51 AM | #5762
[edit] Nevermind, not that important.

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foxmob
09.04.2013 , 01:12 AM | #5763
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
Pug only warzones, good one. Ok so Bioware will never...NEVER remove the option to queue with friends/guildies in this game. That would be the final nail in the coffin. With the upcoming 4v4 grouped ranked and solo ranked premades will become less of a problem. Most of these 'pro' premades will be doing grouped ranked and if a solo player does not wish to do solo ranked (I don't know why they have been asking for such a queue for what seems like an eternity) then that is there own issue can still queue for regs and probably deal with less premades since they will most likely be doing ranked.
my understanding is that you can still queue for regs while your 4m is q'd for rated. is this not the case?
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Marrius
09.04.2013 , 09:58 AM | #5764
I totally agree with the OP as I have stated in my suggestion post....

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=677362

it is also here though I think it may get moved... (though it addresses those L33T players that think they can push us around outside WZs)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=677117

I believe it is easy to make everyone happy if we incorporate these ideas. Bioware needs to know if we are not happy so don't let up, tell them what you want. They are reasonable people lets give them some reasonable arguments.

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cycao
09.04.2013 , 10:14 AM | #5765
Quote: Originally Posted by Marrius View Post
I totally agree with the OP as I have stated in my suggestion post....

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=677362

it is also here though I think it may get moved... (though it addresses those L33T players that think they can push us around outside WZs)

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=677117

I believe it is easy to make everyone happy if we incorporate these ideas. Bioware needs to know if we are not happy so don't let up, tell them what you want. They are reasonable people lets give them some reasonable arguments.
Quote: Originally Posted by Marrius View Post
I am tired of joining a 3-4 man team on a WZ when the opponent has a full team. We get no commendations and our time is wasted. I am not sure if people are intentionally manipulating the cue- (In which case, those caught should have their accounts and any accounts affiliated to that account perma-banned) -or if it is just the poor planning by BioWare when developing WZ's

I am on Jung Ma and our WZ's are always dominated by The Regulators; an over geared under talented mob of misfits who tend to work very well together. In so doing they have single-handedly (though perhaps unintentionally) hurt our server's WZ by chasing many people away.

What I propose are a few things I believe may solve these problems (of which I am sure exist on other servers):

1) Make cross server WZ's This was done very successfully in WoW as it reduced cue waiting times. It could also serve to eliminate one or two guilds' monopoly over a single server.
Pretty sure if they even have plans for this it will be a long, long....long way off.
2) Close WZ sessions where less than 80% of the team are present do not award any commendations for a cancelled WZ. This would help with cheating where people cue up but do not log in. It also would help with teams who's members drop off giving the opposing team overwhelming numbers.
They already have a shutdown sequence and don't allow backfilling when certain warzones reach a certain point in time/score. Its also not cheating if a queue pops and you don't take it.
2a) As part of 2) If someone logs off or cues up and does not log in to a WZ they should be banned from the WZ for a minimum of 1 hour. Nobody likes a cheater or a poor sport. (I am sorry if your internet sucks but the rest of us should not be penalized because you can only afford dial-up. I play through a VPN in China and I only occasionally have problems.)
Again its not cheating if you don't take the queue as there are reasons for not taking it and sometimes you flat out miss them.
3) Allow match choice when cuing into WZ's. I personally hate Hutt Ball and I would like the option to cue into the WZ's that I like.
Keep them random. Everyone has warzones they hate and like.
4) Set up a choice between match WZ's and solo Wz's whereby solo WZs would not allow group cuing. Let guilds like the Regulators be challenged by other organised PVP guilds. It must get boring for them when they have no opposition. I am sure they would welcome the challenge. And it would help others to enjoy the WZ element of the game more.
Solo ranked arenas will get you away from premades and most premades (at least the ones I know will be running grouped ranked). Though since Bioware in there glorious choice of wisdom decided not to solo/grouped ranked arenas to count towards the daily/weekly so you will probably run into the occasional premade.
I believe if we implement these few simple ideas, we will see a better community which will result in a better game.

Please add other ideas if you so like.

PS. note I not only gave my idea but supported the argument. Please respect the spirit in which this thread was written and respond in kind. Trolls will not be fed!


Thank you for your time.

Marrius
They have stated that cross servers wont be coming any time soon if ever and even if they did it only made sense for 8v8 ranked which they are removing from the game.

+10 points for the over geared under talented reference as it made me laugh.

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Marrius
09.04.2013 , 10:37 AM | #5766
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
They have stated that cross servers wont be coming any time soon if ever and even if they did it only made sense for 8v8 ranked which they are removing from the game.
The one constant we can all count on is change. What They may say now can likely change if enough people call for it.

Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
+10 points for the over geared under talented reference as it made me laugh.
I don't mean this to slam the Pre-mades, it is just the truth. I have a valor rating of 47 and I can hold my own with many pre-made individuals. Its all about setting up your quick slots and abilities properly. My main concern with the newly implemented 4 on 4 is with something I have already seen. Yesterday we were in a pug vs a pre-made and we got 0 commendations (it was a horrible beating and a frustrating waste of time lol)

PS. The cheating I refer to may not be mentioned in the EULA but the idea of place holding a cue or WZ spot is unfair to the other players and should be considered cheating and thus bannable.

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P-Chan
09.04.2013 , 02:57 PM | #5767
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
They have stated that cross servers wont be coming any time soon if ever and even if they did it only made sense for 8v8 ranked which they are removing from the game.

+10 points for the over geared under talented reference as it made me laugh.
Not saying your wrong, but I havent found it, please link where they say they are taking OUT 8v8? Everything I have seen just says they are ADDING 4v4.

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Zunayson
09.04.2013 , 06:28 PM | #5768
Quote: Originally Posted by P-Chan View Post
Not saying your wrong, but I havent found it, please link where they say they are taking OUT 8v8? Everything I have seen just says they are ADDING 4v4.
they're taking out 8v8 ranked. They're taking out the ability for a premade of 8 to fight a premade of 8, which is the only form of competitive pvp this game has.

What I say is pure fact, and you should take my word for it.
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P-Chan
09.05.2013 , 04:17 AM | #5769
Quote: Originally Posted by Zunayson View Post
they're taking out 8v8 ranked. They're taking out the ability for a premade of 8 to fight a premade of 8, which is the only form of competitive pvp this game has.

What I say is pure fact, and you should take my word for it.
ok, 8v8 Ranked... I thought you meant period. I didnt pick up the ranked part for some stupid reason...

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LeonHawkeye
09.06.2013 , 07:46 PM | #5770
To the top with you.