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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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rawfox
11.29.2012 , 06:47 AM | #1361
Quote: Originally Posted by FozyX View Post
I dont know how common this is or I am just being unlucky. I dinged L50 yesterday and got myself 1 part of Battlemaster from PvP:ing during Lv1-49. Since I dinged L50 I've done around 7-8 warzones and all of em has been against a full group of players dingling above 18k health meanwhile our group is around 14-15k.A

Anyway my question is: Do you face premade all the time, and is it even a chance to fight again a pug?
On ToFN its ~20% premades in normal pugs and thats often only 4ish groups then.
Not often to fell on a 8man premade except we are q'd with 3 groups

A cross server queue for PWZ and RWZ would really be cool .. i mean ... really ^^

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TonyDragonflame
11.29.2012 , 06:58 AM | #1362
Quote: Originally Posted by rawfox View Post
On ToFN its ~20% premades in normal pugs and thats often only 4ish groups then.
Not often to fell on a 8man premade except we are q'd with 3 groups
^
I see ~40% premades from imp side and ~20% from rep side.

Rep side much more pugged and as consequence roflstomped.
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cycao
11.29.2012 , 07:16 AM | #1363
Quote: Originally Posted by FozyX View Post
I dont know how common this is or I am just being unlucky. I dinged L50 yesterday and got myself 1 part of Battlemaster from PvP:ing during Lv1-49. Since I dinged L50 I've done around 7-8 warzones and all of em has been against a full group of players dingling above 18k health meanwhile our group is around 14-15k.A

Anyway my question is: Do you face premade all the time, and is it even a chance to fight again a pug?
No offence to you but you should be more prepared for 50 PvP and should be getting at the least 2 pieces of WH and a few pieces of BM right off the bat. There is a gear gap no question about that. Players who just waltz into PvP after hitting 50 in full recruit gear will have a disadvantage but if you stock up comms you can make the transition much, much more tolerable.

As for having your whole team at 15k and the other at 18K well I am sure that will happen but not very often.

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Pvtcarnage
11.29.2012 , 08:53 AM | #1364
Quote: Originally Posted by Veniras View Post
You know what I do when the premades are flourishing and the pugs gets stomped?

I stop PVP'ing for the day.
That's what quitters do, make room for someone to actually try.
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zorroazul
11.29.2012 , 11:03 AM | #1365
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
No offence to you but you should be more prepared for 50 PvP and should be getting at the least 2 pieces of WH and a few pieces of BM right off the bat. There is a gear gap no question about that. Players who just waltz into PvP after hitting 50 in full recruit gear will have a disadvantage but if you stock up comms you can make the transition much, much more tolerable.

As for having your whole team at 15k and the other at 18K well I am sure that will happen but not very often.
So true. But the real problem is that a lot of players (myself included) have their 50 lvl toons and never played a single match. So our only option at 50 is that flimsy recruit gear.

On the other hand, for my next low toons as soon as I hit lvl 40 valor rank, I save like crazy those comms and this time, entering a lvl 50 match with 2 war-hero pieces and 3 BM DOES really make a difference, indeed.

So not matter your skill, expect quite a big number of losses with recruit not matter if its against a premade or pug. That's the harsh true.

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Hairyzac
11.29.2012 , 11:11 AM | #1366
The harsh truth is in 1.6, there is WH gear for regular wz comms lol. EWH gear for ranked comms but the stat difference is laughable. Everyone will have the best gear even the newest of players. There will be no more excuses to make fellows. Come into wz's ready to play your class well, along with the objectives or you will lose every time.

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zorroazul
11.29.2012 , 11:16 AM | #1367
Quote: Originally Posted by Hairyzac View Post
The harsh truth is in 1.6, there is WH gear for regular wz comms lol. EWH gear for ranked comms but the stat difference is laughable. Everyone will have the best gear even the newest of players. There will be no more excuses to make fellows. Come into wz's ready to play your class well, along with the objectives or you will lose every time.
Couldn't agree with you more, pal. Patch 1.6 will radically change pvp for better or worse. No more excuses for a lack of gear. You either enter a lvl 50 match with a mix of EWH & WH and the skill to match....or you better don't enter at all.

I wonder what the new excuse will be in 1.6. Probably "hacks"??

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L-RANDLE
11.29.2012 , 11:23 AM | #1368
Quote: Originally Posted by zorroazul View Post
So true. But the real problem is that a lot of players (myself included) have their 50 lvl toons and never played a single match. So our only option at 50 is that flimsy recruit gear.

On the other hand, for my next low toons as soon as I hit lvl 40 valor rank, I save like crazy those comms and this time, entering a lvl 50 match with 2 war-hero pieces and 3 BM DOES really make a difference, indeed.

So not matter your skill, expect quite a big number of losses with recruit not matter if its against a premade or pug. That's the harsh true.
Ever heard of Legacy Gear?

You only need one toon to get "well geared" in PvP, then use that toon to get top-tier sets for other toons. Mail them via legacy gear to said alts.

I had a full BM set for my new toon in a week. As soon as I dinged 50, I was BM, and augged everything...

Result= "gear gap" eliminated

So the only "real" issue is with players who don't have alts(1 toon) and didn't PvP at all until 50. No worries, WH gear will be available much like a BM is now...

I tried to avoid this thread, but someone give me the "for dummies" version.. Is the premade QQ about the gear balance or about the matchmaking/losing? Or both?
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zorroazul
11.29.2012 , 11:33 AM | #1369
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Ever heard of Legacy Gear?

You only need one toon to get "well geared" in PvP, then use that toon to get top-tier sets for other toons. Mail them via legacy gear to said alts.

I had a full BM set for my new toon in a week. As soon as I dinged 50, I was BM, and augged everything...

Result= "gear gap" eliminated

So the only "real" issue is with players who don't have alts(1 toon) and didn't PvP at all until 50. No worries, WH gear will be available much like a BM is now...

I tried to avoid this thread, but someone give me the "for dummies" version.. Is the premade QQ about the gear balance or about the matchmaking/losing? Or both?
Yeah, you're right about this, legacy gear saved all of my lvl 50 alts that didn't have single piece of BM or WH piece. Actually this happens with plenty of people who don't bother to pvp until they're lvl 50.

And that pretty much sums this whole thread: the complain about the gear gap and the premades with full gear set.

Like many said before, patch 1.6 will hopefully fix this. Though if they still haven't saved a single warzone comm by the time they reach lvl 50, the gear problem will only get worse in 1.6.

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PloGreen
11.29.2012 , 11:54 AM | #1370
Quote: Originally Posted by zorroazul View Post
I wonder what the new excuse will be in 1.6. Probably "hacks"??
"Min maxed players are ruining warzones for new war hero geared players"