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SWTOR May Still Be Headed Down a Dark Path (LONG POST)

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SWTOR May Still Be Headed Down a Dark Path (LONG POST)

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lklinga
09.25.2012 , 05:36 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
True. I guess I like to spice things up at times, even though I very consciously try to avoid doing such things.

They obviously have, from time to time, but it seems to be on the little things, like the color of armor, not removing Op lockouts, not on PvP, not on names, not on chat bubbles, not on PTS transfers...just little stuff typically. Arguably bigger things to some people, but it does feel like nothing being said is being heard at times.

Example...the space game. Arguably the weakest point of this entire game (next to PvP/Ilum). Sure, they have some super duper secret uber space project in "development"...but for the next 4-6 months, we'll see nothing but more of the SAME. Honestly, why?! What they have was so poorly received, that the idea of developing anything more for it seems utterly foolish. Yeah yeah...I know there are a handful of you folk who love it as it is...but there aren't enough of you to justify more of the same imo.

With the massive decline in subs, I just there needs to be a little more fire lit under Bioware. They may be content to watch their game fail, I'm not. Their timeline isn't good enough to me. Accepting their lackadaisical style, isn't going to happen for me. I deal with it, but I don't at all accept it as "normal" or acceptable.
My Comment
PVP - Those people whine no matter what happens [In every game that I have played this is the case]
Names - Fine as they are
Chat bubble - Hell No on those
PTS - Now it is no longer a problem but OK to have so neutral on that point
Space Game: Could use the possibility of move multiple people in one ship or Guild capital ships but not a MUST

What is needed more IMO

Is Chapter 4 - 5
More Flash points for lvl 50 including higher difficulty modes
level cap increased as 5 to 10 levels per chapter
New Planets with all the story lines

My list does not match your list if you were a developer which one to choose since you always going to piss some people off.

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NRVNQSR
09.25.2012 , 05:41 AM | #42
You know, your complaints seem to be largely focuses on pvp elements. As a PVE/story content fan, I've had no problems with the game.

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NRVNQSR
09.25.2012 , 05:42 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by lklinga View Post
My Comment
PVP - Those people whine no matter what happens [In every game that I have played this is the case]
Names - Fine as they are
Chat bubble - Hell No on those
PTS - Now it is no longer a problem but OK to have so neutral on that point
Space Game: Could use the possibility of move multiple people in one ship or Guild capital ships but not a MUST

What is needed more IMO

Is Chapter 4 - 5
More Flash points for lvl 50 including higher difficulty modes
level cap increased as 5 to 10 levels per chapter
New Planets with all the story lines

My list does not match your list if you were a developer which one to choose since you always going to piss some people off.
We should be seeing most of that with the Makeb update, along with the long awaited SGR content

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lklinga
09.25.2012 , 05:44 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by odericko View Post
It's kinda humorous considering the fact the game is still in the top tier of sub numbers (at least after WoW) and has more subs than a good majority of MMO's this far in it's life. Did the game live up to Bioware's expectations in subscribers? No. Is the game a "failure" as far as MMO's go? Hardly.
Pretty much this all the negative press comes from the WoW killer hype.
All this "killer" stuff is Bull. There is not "killer" product not in iPhone iPod games never.

It is not the most successful but second most successful MMO.
If the invested amount of money was so stupidly high they should not blame the dev's but the manager idiots who did not manage the costs or tried to save on wrong places. [see EA]

Game was rushed and truly not finished until 1.3 which should have been the state at the date of release. [again management problem]

Even the stupid Hero engine decision is management decision since they read the brochure on increased productivity with multiple dev's working on same area at same time and said cool less costs.
And probably dismissing at the meeting all the technical complains.

Basically all comes down the fact that the managers ****ed up and dev's just do what they told by them.

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Petnil
09.25.2012 , 06:00 AM | #45
Iīve got only 1 complain. Well, iīve got more but the one thatīs realy disapointing is the comunication from EA/BW.
The lack of 2way comunication is bad, and when they say something like we will have content updates rolling out every xx amount of time, and twice that time passes with nothing new itīs disapointing. Not even a word on why.

A simple post that the content updates have been delayed and will not be happening at as fast a pace as promised, while it might be a bit disapointing at least itīs better than just delaying without saying anything.

Iīm not asking for precise dates, but something other than "soon". Is soon some days, a week, some weeks, several weeks, 2-3 months ? past a few months i dont think you can defend calling anything soon.

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Knockerz
09.25.2012 , 06:05 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Petnil View Post
Iīve got only 1 complain. Well, iīve got more but the one thatīs realy disapointing is the comunication from EA/BW.
The lack of 2way comunication is bad, and when they say something like we will have content updates rolling out every xx amount of time, and twice that time passes with nothing new itīs disapointing. Not even a word on why.

A simple post that the content updates have been delayed and will not be happening at as fast a pace as promised, while it might be a bit disapointing at least itīs better than just delaying without saying anything.

Iīm not asking for precise dates, but something other than "soon". Is soon some days, a week, some weeks, several weeks, 2-3 months ? past a few months i dont think you can defend calling anything soon.
Pretty soon MMORPG's will need a new word for "soon" due to it's closer association with a very long time.
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Less armour = moves faster = more dodging = less getting hit.
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Oh.. there is plenty of complaining in this thread. As well as demands, expressions of entitlement, and wild dreams.
Lovely Andryah the Forum Princess

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Ralidyn
09.25.2012 , 06:10 AM | #47
All I hear is:

"I hate this game! It's so stupid!"
"TOR is dead! Stupid fanbois!"
"SWTOR is going to die because it's going into FTP model"
"EAWare is going to suck all our money away because they're switching to pay to win!"
"Servers are dead and everything stinks! I waiting for 4 months to get server transfers!"
"SWTOR ruined my life because I can't find anything else to do with my time but complain!"

The bottom line is simple. There are a lot of you complainers all over the place. I read it on these forums and I read it in chat each time I log on. If the game is so bad and you're jaded because of a video game, why are you still here? Complain complain complain. Yet, you stay with the game? You give BioWare and EA a hard time for being bad managers of a game and criticize them for many things, but you're playing a game that you continually complain about!

You're like the overweight fan in the stands chewing out the professional athletes. While you drink a huge beer and eat a fatty chili dog. Clearly from your JV experience you're on the same level they are we all just fail to see it.

This game is a good game and the devs are doing just fine. Give the game time as it's young. Few people remember how rough the WoW first year was or how overloaded/overpowered some aspects were. Please stop complaining and bringing this bull crap up because that's what it is, crap.

Good day.

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NRVNQSR
09.25.2012 , 06:18 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Ralidyn View Post
All I hear is:

"I hate this game! It's so stupid!"
"TOR is dead! Stupid fanbois!"
"SWTOR is going to die because it's going into FTP model"
"EAWare is going to suck all our money away because they're switching to pay to win!"
"Servers are dead and everything stinks! I waiting for 4 months to get server transfers!"
"SWTOR ruined my life because I can't find anything else to do with my time but complain!"

The bottom line is simple. There are a lot of you complainers all over the place. I read it on these forums and I read it in chat each time I log on. If the game is so bad and you're jaded because of a video game, why are you still here? Complain complain complain. Yet, you stay with the game? You give BioWare and EA a hard time for being bad managers of a game and criticize them for many things, but you're playing a game that you continually complain about!

You're like the overweight fan in the stands chewing out the professional athletes. While you drink a huge beer and eat a fatty chili dog. Clearly from your JV experience you're on the same level they are we all just fail to see it.

This game is a good game and the devs are doing just fine. Give the game time as it's young. Few people remember how rough the WoW first year was or how overloaded/overpowered some aspects were. Please stop complaining and bringing this bull crap up because that's what it is, crap.

Good day.
the funny thing is that a lot of them HAVE quit and just feel obligated to keep showing up here to try to make us stop enjoying it. The game is headed down a dark path where PVE takes precidence over PVP?!!! Oh god! You mean the way they said the game would go since pre-launch?!! What a horrible thought

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lklinga
09.25.2012 , 06:19 AM | #49
Oh and people are going to hate me for this but I really honestly think that the release of new things should be twice a year in much bigger chunks.

Tweaks small fixes in between but If they have more time it generally leads to more in higher quality and the update even from psychological view is better.

Quite frankly If you close the whole team in a room for 6 months they can come up with something great. If you chase them with concept art to PTS in 60 to 80 days it is going to be as now.

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NRVNQSR
09.25.2012 , 06:21 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by lklinga View Post
Oh and people are going to hate me for this but I really honestly think that the release of new things should be twice a year in much bigger chunks.

Tweaks small fixes in between but If they have more time it generally leads to more in higher quality and the update even from psychological view is better.

Quite frankly If you close the whole team in a room for 6 months they can come up with something great. If you chase them with concept art to PTS in 60 to 80 days it is going to be as now.
Pretty much this. I have no idea where people seem to think full blown story expansions should be released multiple times every year.