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Stealth Scan Kind of Sucks

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Stealth Scan Kind of Sucks

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09.06.2012 , 02:57 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
Stealth Scan is an intuitive ability. You either know when and how to use it, or you don't. I have both an Operative and a Bounty Hunter, so I see both uses of this tool.

As a BH:
There are a lot of stupid stealthers out there. Stealth makes one difficult to detect, not impossible to detect. There is a difference. I would say that there is a 10m circle surrounding your character where it is possible to see someone in stealth, especially if they are moving. A lot of times you can pop them out of stealth with a quick tab target and auto attack. If they disappear, using Stealth Scan in the direction they were moving will always detect them. Always.

As an Operative:
A lot of players just use Stealth Scan incorrectly. Our favorite targets are solo node guards, as many will spam Stealth Scan around the door bomb area in Voidstar or directly on the turret in Civil War. Dumb move. A smart stealther will either wait it out or hit you with a Sleep Dart, then a Flash Bang and cap while you stand there helpless to do anything about it.

Point being, Stealth Scan should be used proactively when a stealther is known to be in the area. If you're just using it randomly as a detection tool, you're going to get owned. Stealth classes are designed to pick their own fights and have the upper hand going into it.
Pretty much the only choice a stealth class has to do is pick fights you can win.
It is not like a stealth class can leap into a pile and kill 2 of them.

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09.06.2012 , 02:57 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Jenzali View Post

Stealth scan is one of the best abilities in the game. If you've played as a stealther, with enough experience you can often guess which paths they will use to get the jump on you. If they don't have their opening move like Shoot First because you pulled them out of stealth then you are at a huge advantage.
You hit it right on the head with this one. I have both a scrapper scoundrel and assault vanguard. When I'm left alone defending a node, or wall, I often think to myself "If I were a stealther (which I am), where would I stand and wait?" and I drop the stealth scan on spots where I typically watch and POOF, you find your rat and they panick like crazy (unless of course they are highly geared/skilled).

To original author: Try playing a stealth class for a little while and you will see what we mean

Another thing that I do is I put 2 points into the stealth skill in Assault Spec. I know this is not recommended for PVP, but let me tell you, I've busted so many assassins and operatives trying to get the drop on me, and thats without using the stealth scan! Please note, this is all done out of combat.

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09.06.2012 , 02:57 PM | #23
I record a lot of my WZs, eventually I'll have a nice compilation of stealth scans. This ability is very useful but only if you have it bound to a hotkey and you are quick on the draw.

Its also a huge help when a Mara is coming straight for you, and uses force camo at about 35m away in an attempt to close the gap without wasting force leap. You stealth scan them and force them to leap. At which point you KB etc

And the other awesome use, when you force a stealther to retreat and you nail them with a scan and proceed to melt them as they stand 25m away in the middle of the open, almost dead already.
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09.06.2012 , 03:16 PM | #24
Honestly, with how easy it is to spot a stealthed player, or hit them with a random AOE....I think stealth scan is just fine.

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09.07.2012 , 12:01 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
The stealth busting mechanics needs a complete rework in SWTOR. Right now it's a complete joke with abilities like sneak giving +10 stealth against stealth detection.

Patch 1.4 lower CD on force cloak and cloaking screen will make it even more ridiculous. Force Shroud and Evasion removing all type of dots makes it even more easy for stealthers to pick the fights stacked in their favor.

Currently there is no such thing as stealth balance in SWTOR. It is completely tailored in favor of stealth classes that have complete freedom in choosing their fights.

Sleeping dart and Mind trap is another ridiculous thing that makes the life of stealthers even easier than it should be.

You'd think, that with all these massive advantages, there should be a class that could reliably pull these freaks out of stealth, but no..
Sneak doesnt help you against the stealth scan.
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09.07.2012 , 12:04 AM | #26
I hate stealth scan, lol. It pulls me every time if someone knows how to use it.
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09.07.2012 , 03:50 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by NeoRinTinTin View Post
Stealth scan is handy for the stealth killers in EC, but in PVP it's hit or miss, but 99% of the time is a miss because you can barely ever hit anything. The only time it's really useful is if a sage next to me wants to screw around and use noble sacrifice to pad his stats. It may work as a deterrent, but I'm not too confident about that.

Stealth scan should at least stun the stealther if you manage to hit one.
Stealth scan is great.

The only thing that suck - is players who never ever touch this instant button while it has only 20 sec CD.

Try using it on CD, it is fun.

Moreover, even without stealth scan I manage to pull people out of stealth with AoE's because I know all places where they usually hide or predict where they go.

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09.07.2012 , 04:45 AM | #28
You know (well, obviously not) the odd thing for me is that I've just started noticing people dropping scan to knock me out of stealth when I try to escape a combat that is going badly. I've had a Sent for months, and a Mara before that since launch, and I hardly remember anyone doing this until maybe a couple weeks ago when I noticed it suddenly happinging quite regularly. The first time I realized that it happened I thought to myself, "wow, that guy is really good!".

I also have a scoundrel healer and a shadow tank, and people do it to me more on the shadow than any other. Maybe becuase their brain more readly connects "shadow" to "stealth" and they are ready for it. Or maybe because I tend to try to escape more on the shadow - on the scoundrel I stay visible to give that last bit of healing (probably not so smart).

Even with stealthy toons myself, I kinda like the idea someone had above of making the scan invisible to the other side.

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09.07.2012 , 07:43 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by NoTomorrow View Post
It's not hard as a stealther to predict where the stealth scan will go. Moving unpredictable is quite easy. If you simply follow the principle of not going in the same direction you used to when you were visible, it's already a more than 75% chance that you will not be busted.
I think 75% is being a little optimistic that so many people can't figure out dropping a stealth scan in the opposite direction they saw a stealther heading when they vanished. <.<
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09.07.2012 , 08:21 AM | #30
Stealth scan is awesome! Q-bind it so you can drop it at an instant when needed. I pop so many people out of stealth it's crazy. And like others have said it is pretty much an anti-escape tool for stealthers. Have it bound to my naga and if I'm fighting a stealth or marrauder that tries to escape by stealth that stealth scan goes down instantly and they never get out of range fast enough and then they die.

And go tank spec and it will stun stealth when you pop them.
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