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Lost Island HM should have better loot.

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DarthFamine
11.12.2012 , 06:49 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by AllisonBerryman View Post
I talked with Jesse Sky (Lead Flashpoints and Operations Designer) about the difficulty of Lost Island and its rewards, and he shared his insight about these questions.

He mentioned that Lost Island is balanced very tightly for a group in Tionese-quality gear, but that because the boss mechanics are heavily execution-based, many players prefer to overgear for it. Small mistakes can easily wipe the group, so bringing Ops level gear is great insurance, even if it isn't required. The loot quality reflects this - players who take the risk of going in with Tionese and Columi gear will be rewarded. Players with Ops level gear are likely there for the Black Hole Commendations right now.

That's not to say that we won't be re-examining gear progression going forward. It just happened that when Lost Island was released (1.2), it made sense to us to offer new players and alternate route to the Rakata chest and Columi main hand while infusing the weekly Flashpoint missions with a bit more challenge for players who had geared past most Flashpoints.
I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

you can claim that it is balanced for tionese but the bottom line is that it is not.
I watched over 30 attempts last night alone, and every group was geared columni or better and all failed.
To be blunt
It's over tuned and not worth the reward.

Now I know i'm about to get hate/l2p flame but I simply don't care.

The bottom line is that the op is right.
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11.12.2012 , 07:00 AM | #112
yeah well it'd like to see the guy down this FP in tionese gear. I'd say healing would be the most critical part where groups would fail with the gear. It'd be only possible with no mistakes taken whatsoever, meaning no wandering in any of the aoe-s ever, which is quite impossible especially at the last boss.

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JFerret
11.12.2012 , 07:02 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
I watched over 30 attempts last night alone, and every group was geared columni or better and all failed.
To be blunt
It's over tuned and not worth the reward.
So gear makes u a good player? The reason people are failing is probably due to the fact this is the first instance they come accross which actually requires some competence behind the pixels of the characters and unfortunately the majority of those columi players would not have seen any mechanics like the ones in this flashpoint. Not only do you have to have competence but the rest of the team does also.

I have done this in a full tionese/columi team and it wasnt that hard but then again we have all done this fp alot with our mains. The current difficulty is fine but it takes tactics and competency and I believe thats why they failed.

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Taiketo
11.12.2012 , 07:05 AM | #114
The damage from the poison from the last boss can be nearly entirely mitigated by well timed purges and proper tanking.

I've dps'd it with a friend with both of us wearing level 49 purples (optimized and augmented, but overall worse than columi) and didn't come close to an enrage. It's not a gear heavy flashpoint, it's just execution heavy.

I am confident I could tank or heal it in tionese gear as well, even with a equally geared opposite, so long as they were competent.

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DarthFamine
11.12.2012 , 07:30 AM | #115
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So gear makes u a good player? The reason people are failing is probably due to the fact this is the first instance they come accross which actually requires some competence behind the pixels of the characters and unfortunately the majority of those columi players would not have seen any mechanics like the ones in this flashpoint. Not only do you have to have competence but the rest of the team does also.

I have done this in a full tionese/columi team and it wasnt that hard but then again we have all done this fp alot with our mains. The current difficulty is fine but it takes tactics and competency and I believe thats why they failed.
just as I predicted

There you would be wrong again, several of these attempts were made by veteran raiders who know what to do.
in full campaign/black hole with a columni geared healer.

The issue time and time again was that the healer was not capable of generating the required number to heal through the encounter. The execution was there, the numbers simply could not be attained with the gear.


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11.12.2012 , 09:10 AM | #116
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There you would be wrong again, several of these attempts were made by veteran raiders who know what to do. in full campaign/black hole with a columni geared healer.
I'm gonna bet they might have known *some* of what to do, but not everything. I've done complete pug runs on Columi geared healers of all 3 kinds, and the only time I ever had wipes was on one run where we kept having people die to KB on Sav-Rak because they weren't running in close enough.

The fights in LI are a lot more complex than those of the T1 HMs, and a lot of people don't ever bother doing their research so they only know what they manage to catch out of the corner of their eye rather than everything that's going on. If a healer is having problems keeping a group of overgeared guildies alive, the problem is the players' execution, not the relative difficulty of the fights.
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Slurmez
11.12.2012 , 09:24 AM | #117
I cant tank to save my life, i really do suck but I have tanked LI in my pvp dps battlemaster gear, in deception spec with only tank stance and a shield as a nod to anything tanky. I know the mechanics from dpsing it sure but the fact remains if I can tank LI anyone can.

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RikuvonDrake
11.12.2012 , 09:40 AM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFamine View Post
I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

you can claim that it is balanced for tionese but the bottom line is that it is not.
I watched over 30 attempts last night alone, and every group was geared columni or better and all failed.
To be blunt
It's over tuned and not worth the reward.

Now I know i'm about to get hate/l2p flame but I simply don't care.

The bottom line is that the op is right.
It is balanced for four people with tionese gear, trust me, I have done it. As I wrote a little back in the thread me and a few friends bought full tionese gear just to test it out and see if it was possible, and yes it was. We cleared all the content (didn't skip packs) without one single wipe in the entire flashpoint. It all hangs on the skill of the player, just like the dev. says in his/her post, if you aren't skilled enough then maybe you should do it gear well over the req. level (rakata/blackhole/dreadguard)

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yeah well it'd like to see the guy down this FP in tionese gear. I'd say healing would be the most critical part where groups would fail with the gear. It'd be only possible with no mistakes taken whatsoever, meaning no wandering in any of the aoe-s ever, which is quite impossible especially at the last boss.
When me and my friends from my guild did it in full tionese gear (that we only bought to test out if it was possible) we had one assassin tank (me), one powertech DPS and one sniper DPS and one sorcerer healer and we hit no enrage time, we had one death in the entire flashpoint (on trash lol) however combat ress were used and no wipes. So it is possible you just need to know the mechanics and be a skilled player.
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RikuvonDrake
11.12.2012 , 09:45 AM | #119
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just as I predicted

There you would be wrong again, several of these attempts were made by veteran raiders who know what to do.
in full campaign/black hole with a columni geared healer.

The issue time and time again was that the healer was not capable of generating the required number to heal through the encounter. The execution was there, the numbers simply could not be attained with the gear.
Sorry to say this but then the players must have been bad, over 60% of the damage on bossfights can be avoided, I guess you veteran raiders didn't and thus put a heavy pressure on the healer and thus you failed. As I wrote above, I have done it with a tionese geared group (from healer, to DPS, to tank) and we had no major problem with any of the bosses and didn't wipe in the entire flashpoint. It's all about skill and avoiding all damage possible, if you do that, the flashpoint will be very easy.
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11.12.2012 , 10:13 AM | #120
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There you would be wrong again, several of these attempts were made by veteran raiders who know what to do.
in full campaign/black hole with a columni geared healer.

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This speaks to a point I made a long time ago. You could give fully optimized L61 gear to a group that didn't know what they're doing and they would wipe on LI.

Yet a skilled group could do it in 1/2 Columi (which I've done) and a really skilled group could do it in Tionese (See above)