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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Kioma
12.03.2012 , 08:57 AM | #3541
Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
I will wait until makeb, and new story, before I get overly dogged off. If no sgr comes with them, then yes, they haven't done what they said they would do, but as things got delayed this year, further patience is called for.
They haven't said anything detailed about what's coming with makeb, so I'll wait for now.
Yes, things got delayed. But nothing has been told to us in any way as to whether those delays mean the schedule has changed. 'We're still on track' or 'It's been pushed back' isn't a big ask. Heck, Joveth's post in this thread specifically states they've got no new information for us. And that means that no, more patience actually isn't called for. They haven't revised their Guild Summit statement of 'this year' which means we must go by that as being our last official notification, so if it comes to January the 1st and there's no SGRAs, THEN they haven't done what they've said they would.
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natashina
12.03.2012 , 11:16 AM | #3542
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About contacting Dan Savage, he's a double-edged sword. In the past I remember he's been accused of being a r*pe apologist, misogynist and transphobic. He's not very well received in some LGBT areas because of this.

On a lighter note I'm trying to think of who else I can contact. I have emailed Gawker.com? Don't think so...
I might as well go down the list of emails I've sent in the last 12 hours or so.

  • 1up.com
  • Kotaku.com
  • forbes.com
  • Dan Savage
  • Huffington Post
  • The Gawker
  • The Consumerist
  • Destructoid.com
  • Gaygamer.net
  • GLAAD

I'll be adding more to it later, but for right now I think that's just about everyone I would think would help us.

Hmm, maybe Massively as well? Not sure yet.

Anyhow, that's what I'm doing. Trying to be the squeakiest wheel in the bunch.

Nothing to lose, everything to gain. I'll keep trying. Now, I doubt I'll hear anything back especially if this letter gets picked up. Maybe in the next week, we'll see some articles popping up. I'll keep my eyes open and if any articles get started, I'll link them here.

Edit: The only time the mods read any of these posts is if they are flagged. I have posts that were flagged on the General Forums that are allowed to stay here. So they may moderate and keep the trolls down, but I am really convinced they don't read this thread at all.

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stuffystuffs
12.03.2012 , 11:51 AM | #3543
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Quote: Originally Posted by utio View Post
I will wait until makeb, and new story, before I get overly dogged off. If no sgr comes with them, then yes, they haven't done what they said they would do, but as things got delayed this year, further patience is called for.
Yeah, I think if Makeb comes and we hear/see nothing, then I'll be really worried.
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stuffystuffs
12.03.2012 , 12:05 PM | #3544
For me, Makeb feels like it was the 'big' story content planned for this year (though it will likely show up early next year now) and I've always expected it to come with that. So, for me personally, if SGRA's don't show up there I will totally lose hope.
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natashina
12.03.2012 , 12:05 PM | #3545
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
I'm not convinced it will come with Makeb. If that is the "official word" by someone who's not from that department anyway, then why burry it.
That's why I'd like to know and why I'm finally emailing news sites.

This whole thing really makes zero sense to me. More than angry at this point, I'm confused.

The deleted Tweets and "he said/she said" type behavior from EA/BW is childish at best.

I'm not going to sit on my hands politely waiting for next spring or whenever they decide to talk about Makeb.

Heya Fabiyun, didn't you say that Stonewall UK might be interested in this?

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natashina
12.03.2012 , 12:09 PM | #3546

Doup brought up an excellent point as to why I'm doing this.

Say that a new Battlefield game was coming out that was not able to offer multiplayer at launch, but it was going to be available as a free DLC later.

Then, for better part of a year, they don't talk about it and dodge any/all questions about it. Then all the employees that talked about this content are gone and the players are still left without a word.

Wouldn't you(general term,) want to find out the answer? Even if it was no?

As a customer, I feel deceived by EA/BW. That's why I'm taking the route I have.

Please, join us in writing to GLAAD and other sites. Let's try to get some answers!

I am prepared for it to possibly be a "No," so long as they publicity come and tell us such.

Edit: Pretty much Nozy. Why would some of the questions in the FAQ be allowed to exist otherwise? Or my Disney FAQ answer back about 70 pages?

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MagusGothica
12.03.2012 , 12:17 PM | #3547
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
Hmm, maybe Massively as well?
Massively's actually probably a pretty good call. Specifically, I'd email Larry Everett. Or Tweet him @Shaddoe. He writes a SWTOR dedicated column every week, and cohosts an Old Republic show on Gamebreaker. I think that coverage would be a really good thing for us, and from what I know about Mr. Everett, I think he'd be sympathetic to our cause. He's a heavy RP'er, so just toss something in there about how the persistent lack of SGR's is preventing the LGBT community from RP'ing the way they want to.

I think Larry and the folks at Gamebreaker, like Gary Gannon, would definitely cover this. And having them discussing the treatment of this content live on The Old Republic show would be good. They're known for asking... uncomfortable questions, to say the least.

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fabiyun
12.03.2012 , 12:19 PM | #3548
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
That's why I'd like to know and why I'm finally emailing news sites.

This whole thing really makes zero sense to me. More than angry at this point, I'm confused.

The deleted Tweets and "he said/she said" type behavior from EA/BW is childish at best.

I'm not going to sit on my hands politely waiting for next spring or whenever they decide to talk about Makeb.

Heya Fabiyun, didn't you say that Stonewall UK might be interested in this?
No, Stonewall said they can't do anything. :S

I don't understand why my post has disappeared, I don't see how it is offensive. Nor yours that I replied to.

For a LOL tho http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...41394075_o.jpg

I find EA/BW behaviour not just childish, it's plain weird. Sure they generally seem to not know what is up with their own game, but burying and deleting videos, posts, tweets this way and not responding to any questions at all is just beyond even what they do elsewhere.
"..the worst kind of DARTH one can dig up!"

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Nozybidaj
12.03.2012 , 12:20 PM | #3549
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post

I am prepared for it to possibly be a "No," so long as they publicity come and tell us such.
I don't think EA would ever come out and say "No" even if internally that is the answer. They would have nothing to gain from that.
1) They want to keep as many subs as possible. If telling people "no new information" or referring people to year old statements about inclusion at some indefinite point in time keeps people sub'ing why would they ever say differently?
2) That would indeed then give ground for criticisms of discrimination not just from us but from the various outlets we are trying to contact. As long as they can say "still working on it" even if they aren't they can at least claim to still maintain some intention of inclusion.

At best the most we'll ever hear again about this is "blah blah blah still working on it, time and money, writer lead time, no new information, wait for further updates blah blah blah". If that keeps them a few subscribers hanging around with no effort on their part all the better, once it reaches a point where it doesn't, problem still solved for BW.

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fabiyun
12.03.2012 , 12:21 PM | #3550
Quote: Originally Posted by MagusGothica View Post
Massively's actually probably a pretty good call. Specifically, I'd email Larry Everett. Or Tweet him @Shaddoe. He writes a SWTOR dedicated column every week, and cohosts an Old Republic show on Gamebreaker. I think that coverage would be a really good thing for us, and from what I know about Mr. Everett, I think he'd be sympathetic to our cause. He's a heavy RP'er, so just toss something in there about how the persistent lack of SGR's is preventing the LGBT community from RP'ing the way they want to.

I think Larry and the folks at Gamebreaker, like Gary Gannon, would definitely cover this. And having them discussing the treatment of this content live on The Old Republic show would be good. They're known for asking... uncomfortable questions, to say the least.
I've also considered writing gamebreaker. I watch that vlog. It's hilarious, and the guys are such care bears.
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