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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Rayla_Felana
11.22.2012 , 12:21 PM | #3241
Fabiyun! I remember you! my word I'm not the only who survived those days then!

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fabiyun
11.22.2012 , 12:21 PM | #3242
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
I don't really like this option just for the reason that it could potentially mean "pay for gay", which would more or less become a "gay toggle option" that BW never wanted to have.

If there was no other option to have SGRA than through companions in the cartel market.... I don't know. I might reconsider but I don't think it would make me feel good romancing them. So I can't really say I like the idea too much.
I agree, but BW has said with the Cathar as well that they don't consider it to be payment, as subs can save their monthly coins to unlock it. And essentially the F2P is not the full game, but more an extended trial.

But I am seeing changes in content release, moving from general to the Cartel Market, we'll have to see how this will play out. But I think it's quite probable this is what the future of SWTOR will be.

On that model; some Cartel Market items are free for subs, this could be the case for SGR companions. In any case, if new companions are released in this manner, it would answer some of our questions on how they'll be implemented. Essentially any SGR companion would then be available to all your toons regardless of their level or part in their class story. Could that be a suitable solution?
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fabiyun
11.22.2012 , 12:23 PM | #3243
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
Fabiyun! I remember you! my word I'm not the only who survived those days then!
No indeed, but one of the few, and tbh I've been mostly lurking and too upset to post. This has really gone on way too long, and the amount of trolls and haters who keep on coming in is not decreasing. And then there is the general discussion in this thread that just goes round in circles, understandably without any new information, but I've not felt inclined to participate and feed the trolls.
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Lent_San
11.22.2012 , 12:35 PM | #3244
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
On that model; some Cartel Market items are free for subs, this could be the case for SGR companions. In any case, if new companions are released in this manner, it would answer some of our questions on how they'll be implemented. Essentially any SGR companion would then be available to all your toons regardless of their level or part in their class story. Could that be a suitable solution?
Quick post before I need to go bake a cake (honest, not kidding )..... ah, I don't know.

I kind of like the way the companions are toon-specific so to speak, they share a personal story with your toon, they appear for a reason and not out of nowhere. If that feature, like you described, would be implemented, wouldn't that mean they'd have to write each companion to suit every possible toon? And that might mean too much work indeed.

I kind of like the fact that each char has a different set of companions, some you may like more than others, sure, but it makes exploring other classes so much more fun imo.

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Rayla_Felana
11.22.2012 , 12:48 PM | #3245
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
Quick post before I need to go bake a cake (honest, not kidding )..... ah, I don't know.

I kind of like the way the companions are toon-specific so to speak, they share a personal story with your toon, they appear for a reason and not out of nowhere. If that feature, like you described, would be implemented, wouldn't that mean they'd have to write each companion to suit every possible toon? And that might mean too much work indeed.

I kind of like the fact that each char has a different set of companions, some you may like more than others, sure, but it makes exploring other classes so much more fun imo.
The offside of that is.... HK51 is one of the best companions of the lot, he is very funny, very well written and has something to say about ALL your class quests, if that's how SGRA companions are introduce, call me a happy bunny, especially given that I don't have to sit around with Qyzen or the cat guy from the Trooper arc for the entire first chapter(I think).

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fabiyun
11.22.2012 , 12:49 PM | #3246
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
Quick post before I need to go bake a cake (honest, not kidding )..... ah, I don't know.

I kind of like the way the companions are toon-specific so to speak, they share a personal story with your toon, they appear for a reason and not out of nowhere. If that feature, like you described, would be implemented, wouldn't that mean they'd have to write each companion to suit every possible toon? And that might mean too much work indeed.

I kind of like the fact that each char has a different set of companions, some you may like more than others, sure, but it makes exploring other classes so much more fun imo.
I agree, but it seems more and more that BW are moving away from that and instead want to make the game Avenger style (whatever that may mean, sounds like gangnam style). And then there is the uneven distribution of romance options between male and female toons and possible OGR and SGR toons. If it would mean I only have a single choice that I might not like by doing it the old style, then I'd rather pick one or two that I do like from the Cartel Market. Regardless it seems like we can only wait and see, but I think there's a real possibility that new companions will only come through the Cartel Market.

And then there's this nagging thing in my head, cynicism really. That BW will say: "Look we've given you gay lord thrones that have you sit like a queen, pink lightsabers, glitter cannons and disco balls, and transparent power top shirtless muscle twink attire! What more do you want?!"
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CrusherKing
11.22.2012 , 12:57 PM | #3247
I want this in the game =)

And I also want an orphanage
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Ellianshia
11.22.2012 , 01:04 PM | #3248
Quote: Originally Posted by DeepRealm View Post
I must say I'm surprised at the tone being expressed here at times. Sure, I can understand your bitter disappointment that there's no word on SGRA's, and that they are probably being delayed due to F2P.

However, if you want to see SGRA's in games, you have no greater friend than BioWare. Remember the publicity over Mass Effect and all the bad headlines. They took a stand, and a risk for things you both want. They want these things in their games.

Now, your friend is in trouble. Their publisher is probably breathing down their necks, worried about their $200 million-plus investment. They have to re-prioritise. This is a fully-voiced story-focused MMO. Writing NEW story content is more expensive than in a SP game. Writing NEW story content for eight different arcs, and making sure it all works out-of-the-box and doesn't conflict with something else that they're working on is rather more expensive.

And what do they get in return for giving you what they want in the past and trying to meet expectations? Demands. Threats. Insults. Fine, you're upset. But you're treating them worse than "Other Developers" (tm) who don't even try to put what you want in games. It is important in life to always remember who your friends are.
The tone, eh? We don't mind if SGRA has been postponed... at least I don't anyway, not sure about others. What I do mind is the information blackout regarding it. Can't they at least tell us... "Hey, guys, sorry, but SGRA is not coming/is coming much later than anticipated." That's really all that most people posting on this topic want (At least from my observations). Of course, if they tell us it's not coming, we get to say... eh, laters, TOR, it was fun while it lasted. That, in and of itself is likely to reduce the already reduced player base. While I can understand the fear relating to that, they're not going to win any extra points two patches down the road if the content doesn't arrive. People will get annoyed, angry, etc, etc.

As I mentioned earlier in this topic, I haven't played TOR in months, but I have kept my subscription alive to support the devs in the hopes that I'll get to see this game grow and hopefully see the content that they promised us. That's me being loyal... and what do I get in return? Absolutely nothing, not even a peep. At this point, I guess I should start to get angry. I'm giving it enough time for another patch after the one currently on the PTR... and if I get nothing information-wise, I'll just be on my way and then never buy a Bioware product anymore. It's simply gotten to where we should all just go and say... too little, too late.

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Tatile
11.22.2012 , 01:22 PM | #3249
Quote: Originally Posted by CrusherKing View Post
I want this in the game =)
Yay

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And I also want an orphanage
So you can burn it down in self defense?

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Uluain
11.22.2012 , 02:07 PM | #3250
Time is short today, so just a few points I'd like to touch on.

Quote: Originally Posted by JediMB View Post
Personally? I'd be all for organizing some sort of campaign to pressure EA into finally saying something about the issue at hand.... What we've been doing so far clearly isn't working, so either we just sit around and wait for EA to decide when/if they want to tell us something, or we escalate the issue to levels that they'll take seriously.
I was about there, oh, two months ago. I got just enough of a reply from Joveth (see the BW post in this thread and more to the point, my post of his email above it) to make me feel that maybe things were looking up, info-wise. And while I have not been eager to share this before, I'll now reveal that what got that response from Joveth was filing a CS ticket reporting the community team for discriminatory behavior.

That was kind of an A-bomb for an ant-hill, but also kind of not because to all appearances, all that differentiates how this content and discussion of it from any other content is sexual orientation. And quarantining this discussion on that grounds alone is discriminatory, and there are rules of conduct against that, and I think the Community Team is also obliged to observe those.

So that got us what it got us, which isn't much. But we have repeatedly, tediously, disheartenlngly told that they are aware of the interest in this content and they are working to bring us new information as soon as they can. Pressing harder for this information is counter-productive to me at this point because if they know how we feel and are not responding now, then that tells me all I need to know about my value to the company as a customer, and shows their "inclusive" ethic for the thin, feeble charade that it is, or else this would be addressed already. Maybe not in game, because things take time, but talked about frankly.

So too late for me, unless it comes out with a big, fat "We're sorry!" in front. Yes, it's just a game, but I see no reason to accept from an entertainment venue what I would not stand for from an employer, a landlord or a place of worship.

Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
Could this mean that future companions will be Cartel Market companions? Again the positive thing about that is that it would allow one to have a companion across one's legacy at whichever level. It'd also allow a companion to be had and romanced with any toon at any level.

Any thoughts on this?
We have been led to expect same-sex romance with companions we already know. And sc****** up CC to unlock it, when those could be invested elsewhere, IS Pay-to-Gay, because no one had to do anything like that for OGR. It was just there, part of the content with the companions one met along the way. I want the same thing for SGR. Anything less and I will turn around and walk away rather than accept more of a second-class experience than we have already been subjected to.