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Greatest Force User of All Time

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Greatest Force User of All Time

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LordCJK
11.24.2012 , 06:42 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
/facepalm
/facedesk
/facehotlava
Well, maybe, he hasn't such mastery of the light side as Yoda and such mastery of the dark side, as Sidious, but even at the end of Revan novel he concentrated powers of both sides of the force. Yes, he lost battle, but this fact doesn't mean he's bad, it means Sith Emperor is just much better.
Quote: Originally Posted by lokdron View Post
George Lucas disagrees with you he layed down the law that you cannot master both light and dark g canon overwrites whatever is said in the revan book so revan did not master both since its impossible.
Maybe George meant that it's impossible to FULLY master both sides? Because Revan wasn't consisted of Dark Side even halfy, he's light mastery was amazing but almost his powers were light sided. And Luke...He had wonderful Light Side mastery, but his Dark Side... Yes, he could use Force lightning etc., but it's not even compared to Palp and others(considering his potential).
And can you give me a source for these Lucas' words? Don't think that i don't believe, i'm just interested to see original.

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ZoeTuah
11.24.2012 , 08:23 AM | #192
Depends on the meaning of "greatest". If wisdom is a valid criteria, then Qui-Gon Jinn.

He may not have been all that powerful with the Force, but he was among the wisest Jedi. He had experiences with intense, dark emotions and how to keep a level head in the midst of them. Where other Jedi masters relied on intuition and their rigid codes that contradicted Anakin's real feeling, Qui-Gon, if anyone, could have helped him understand how to cope.
His close father-son-like relationship with Anakin might also have led him to see Palpatine's deception earlier.

With physics, proper mechanics can transform power and yield greater output. Much as with Kreia's philosophy on echoes through the Force. Small, intelligent changes can yield greater results than one could imagine.

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mefit
11.24.2012 , 09:04 AM | #193
SUPER FANBOY, EU , SUPERMAN , GOD ,MARY STU, LUKE SKYWALKER !
May the Dull ,Unavoidable ,Bad and horrible Writing , and most of all poor imagination , be with you !
Give a Man a Mask and he'll become his true self

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Wolfninjajedi
11.24.2012 , 09:10 AM | #194
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
SUPER FANBOY, EU , SUPERMAN , GOD ,MARY STU, LUKE SKYWALKER !
May the Dull ,Unavoidable ,Bad and horrible Writing , and most of all poor imagination , be with you !
Your really high strung about this aren't you?...
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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mefit
11.24.2012 , 09:13 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Your really high strung about this aren't you?...
I only seek to bring Balance to the Force and take down the most Evilest being in the Galaxy ................ EU Luke Skywalker !
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Wolfninjajedi
11.24.2012 , 01:48 PM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by mefit View Post
I only seek to bring Balance to the Force and take down the most Evilest being in the Galaxy ................ EU Luke Skywalker !
He is evil because....why? I hope you don't read comics, cause DC and Marvel I think would make your head explode.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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BrandonSM
11.25.2012 , 09:17 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
He is evil because....why? I hope you don't read comics, cause DC and Marvel I think would make your head explode.
World War Hulk FTW.
Hapan: "This creature has information that could lead us to a woman who has been kidnapped. We will get that information."
Luke: "This woman is a citizen of the New Republic, and if you do not take your hands off her, I will take your hands off you."

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Wolfninjajedi
11.25.2012 , 09:30 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
World War Hulk FTW.
STOP! Your gonna make his head asplode! Good thing we didn't mention Superman, Krypto, Darkseid, Batman, Spectre, Superman 1 million, Batman 1 million, Krypto 1 million, Hercules, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Dr. Doom, Doomsday and all the other hugely powerful characters...oh wait! ! *Prepares for asplosion!*
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.

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Mirdthestrill
11.25.2012 , 09:56 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by LordCJK View Post
1.Abeloth(Power of Font of Power and Pool of Knowledge powers combined,was able to defeat both Son and Dauther,13 times stronger than Luke Skywalker.I put her before Father considering his TCW Mortis trilogy version, don't know much about his peak).

2.The Ones(doesn't matter if it's Dauther,Son or Father,i'm pretty sure they were equal at TCW timeline, it's obvious that father was stronger before,aged weaked him,Father at his peak was equal to Abeloth or stronger).

3.Luke Skywalker(reached force potential of Chosen One, used both Light Side and Dark Side abilities).

4.Darth Sidious(the strongest Sith ever existed, candidate for Sith'ari title, learned almost all Dark Side abilities).

5.Marka Ragnos(master of Vitiate, noone could defeat him during his lifetime, ''golden age of the sith'', his ressurection would cause destruction of New Jedi Order).

6.Lord Vitiate(he's weaker than Sidious by canon but his feats are amazing,easily overwhelming strong minds with the force,rituals on planetary and galactic level, i'm still doubt is Ragnos really stronger than this guy?).

7.Darth Plagueis(Palpatine's master,top 2 in Bane's dynasty, could manipulate midi-chlorians, lightsaber master, overwhelmingly strong in the the force even if he had no talent for some force abilities).

8.Master Yoda(gave a good fight to Palpatine, was strongest Jedi during Clone Wars, doubt if he's stronger than Jacen but even if Jacen's potential is near Luke's, Yoda's experience(900 years lifetime,huh) would take it).

9.Darth Caedus(Skywalker bloodline, potential near Chosen One, stand in the fight with Luke).

10.Kyp Durron(high force potential that he reached,his power level was compared to Luke(though i don't think it can be compared) and candidate for the next Sith lord during LOTF).

11.Darth Nihilus(his absorbing feats are impressive but he can't be compared in close combat or other force feats with monsters like Luke,Sidious or even Yoda and Caedus).

12.Unnamed Jedi Knight Hero from SW:TOR(he deafeated Lord Vitiate though it was just a host of his essence but it was the thing that Revan and Meetra both combined weren't able to do).

13.Revan( by the end of ''Revan'' novel, both Light and Dark side Master, ''Heart of the Force'').

14.Nomi Sunrider/Thon(i really have no idea who's the strongest of this pair even is i don't like use slash in tops).

15.Starkiller(Potential of Darth Sidious, learned many force abilites(both sides of the force), amazing lightsaber duelist).
I have to say, this looks like an excellent list. You're missing the Great Heep, though.

In all seriousness, what about Bane? He probably shouldn't be near the top, but I think we can safely say he was more powerful than, say, starkiller.
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mefit
11.25.2012 , 10:29 AM | #200
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
He is evil because....why? I hope you don't read comics, cause DC and Marvel I think would make your head explode.
Quote: Originally Posted by BrandonSM View Post
World War Hulk FTW.
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
STOP! Your gonna make his head asplode! Good thing we didn't mention Superman, Krypto, Darkseid, Batman, Spectre, Superman 1 million, Batman 1 million, Krypto 1 million, Hercules, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Dr. Doom, Doomsday and all the other hugely powerful characters...oh wait! ! *Prepares for asplosion!*
Anyone you can name from DC or Marvel has more than a handfull of people who can beat them and possibly kill them at anytime . Writers are held to a Plot Armor that is not without a end and eventually could . Granted there are Fanboys of those worlds as well and often lead to terrible comebacks.
Superman.........lost to Batman, Lex Luther at times........niether are POWERFUL or have any POWERs !
Hulk.........seriously ? Guy has lost in the most epic battles that were beyond well writen .
Magneto.........Personal Favorite , been beaten by those under his power level manytimes over.
List goes on and on .

The only thing I like more about StarWars EU over Marvel/DC is , once a character dies they usually stay dead ................well maybe not Bubba Fett(Sorry Had too , I like Boba Fett).
Jean Grey has a more lives than a Cat forsure !

In the end , StarWars EU has been plagued by uncreative writers with only a imagination too keep EU FANBOY GOD Luke Skywalker maintain his Mary STU status . More weaknesses they take from him makes him extremely more dull and less of a Good Read . Eventually there has to be CHARACTERS who can walk up to Luke and not only bring it too him but beat him very bad .
Why you ask ?
Challenge is a better read and knowing the outcome is boring , old , and tired . Only the DULL fanboys and girls like their StarWars boring and predictable .
This is why I careless to read anything Luke is in anymore ! I've lost intrest in a God who always wins and rarely bleeds ,
The bad writing gone into Luke has brought us more and more bad ideas to try and make a decent story .


I do not hate all of Luke , I am still a big Fan of Ep3-6 Luke Skywalker .
Even if he cried in all 4 movies !
Sorry had to put that last part in there , it shows he was human and had feelings that he could not control or over come !

Edit: People are always going to reachout to like other characters , it has been a growing trend with more and more EU characters are being made in comics/books/games/movies , alot of it has to do with the unknown . Maybe this is why Revan remains on my top 10 list , its because hes mortal/defeatable/way not perfect/not a God/Killable/unknown.
Nihilus is my favorite because with all his power , he had a weakness . His hunger and in the end he died . No one knows how Powerful Nihilus is but we can all admit hes really up there in power .
When someon as POWERFUL as Nihilus dies to someone who might have been less powerful like the Exile , its a good read, epic to see , and more imagination and creativity than anything we've seen from a EU Luke Skywalker novel/comic in a long long time .

I personally would have had Darth Caedus beat Luke after he killed Mara Jade , and then had Jaina come in and kill Caedus . To be , that would have made Luke mortal again and made him 100x better a read than he is now .
So love your EU GOD , I personally want to see him come crashing down .
Give a Man a Mask and he'll become his true self