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Foxfirega
01.10.2012 , 11:08 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
So.....really? Just personality? Thats why everyone says he can kill everyone and do all this crazy stuff?
That may just be on account of his specific Assassination Protocols, which were specifically tuned to make him incredibly deadly and accurate (to the point of being able to put down trained Jedi/Sith with his blaster rifle; He had Mandalorian-level combat training, effectively). A lot of that included a fair amount of autonomy in order to achieve a proper assassination: up to and including lies, deception, and removal of any and all necessary witnesses (HK-50a displayed this the most in KotOR2, and he was just BASED off HK-47. See end spoiler tag).

Personality, however, accounts for why he was so well liked. Fans tend to attribute other traits at their whim, sadly. Still, it's KotOR-canon that he had the skills package and equipment needed to kill Jedi/Sith, and he had a number of other skills related to his role as an infiltration/exfiltration/assassination specialist, allowing him to operate in other capacities (mechanic, protocol droid, demolitions, slicing, etc.) as part of his suite. He's also not technically the first droid in Star Wars to ever pull something like this off (IG-88 and 4-LOM come to mind).

It's also worth noting he did a lot of his particular things on-camera, so it's not just that he's reputed to be able to do these things: He goes out and does it, with ruthless efficiency and sarcasm. You seem to be heavily biased in your opening post with the amount of handwaving/goal-posting shuffling in your statements. :U

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01.10.2012 , 11:33 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
So.....really? Just personality? Thats why everyone says he can kill everyone and do all this crazy stuff because of his personality?
I don't know where you are getting that from, but I would just dismiss that as fanboyism, which in most cases, can't be reasoned with.

I like HK's chararacter, but do I worship him? No.

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Wolfninjajedi
01.10.2012 , 11:47 AM | #13
I'm not being biased at all its just...I don't see anything special about him, he just seems to be another assassin droid to me. Its not like he is the only droid who can slice, who has infiltrated a facility, who knows how to use weapons and kill others.
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Foxfirega
01.10.2012 , 11:51 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I'm not being biased at all its just...I don't see anything special about him, he just seems to be another assassin droid to me.
His skillset was a lot more in-depth then a lot of assassin droids. He certainly wasn't invincible, or anything like that, but out of the entire crew of people Revan had (and the Exile, if you built him in KotOR2's side mission), he was in a dead-heat tie for 'second most deadly' right next to Revan and the Exile themselves (Canderous Ordo did a fairly good job of competing).

Considering the crew and the dangers they generally faced, that was somewhat impressive of a feat.

Other then that, the reason he's so popular is entirely his personality and the exact way he went about his business. The same can be said of any of a million other characters in every brand of fiction ever. Sometimes, that causes fans to promote their beloved characters to pedastals they have no earthly (or otherwise) business being on.

Doesn't change the fact that he was the droid every other line of assassin droids wanted to be, and he only ever had one or two droids in history that came close to competing with him for 'Best Assassin Droid Ever' (IG-88 and 4-LOM).
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Wolfninjajedi
01.10.2012 , 11:55 AM | #15
What skillset does he have though? All I haven't really found anything like "OMG" about what HK-47 can do that any other assassin droid couldn't. Whereas I can go and read up on IG-88 or 4-LOM and I can find a few "WOW" things about what they can do.
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Foxfirega
01.10.2012 , 12:04 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
What skillset does he have though? All I haven't really found anything like "OMG" about what HK-47 can do that any other assassin droid couldn't. Whereas I can go and read up on IG-88 or 4-LOM and I can find a few "WOW" things about what they can do.
He has the standard assassin droid skill package, but just does it better through actual combat experience, numerous upgrades, and just better subroutines and protocols in general (IE: Better hardware and software). He was just plain better designed from the get go.

One of his only really noteworthy, stand-out skills, though, is being able to fire blaster rounds through the defenses of a Jedi or Sith (something that's still kind of impressive, even for a meatbag; It certainly required a lot of special training and practice, and he did it routinely and casually). That's something that a lot of other assassin droids of the era had some issue with.

It really is just a factor of him having a better 'ware setup, though, that was continually upgraded to become better and better. Above and beyond the capability of the HK-50 line (most of which never got beyond the 'factory standard' setting; While they were effective, they weren't really able to compete, as they were mostly only based off of 47's original designs).
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Wolfninjajedi
01.10.2012 , 12:11 PM | #17
Ya but theres really...like no in depth as to what these upgrades consist of just that they make HK-47 better and better, theres no meat to the burger if you will. I mean with 4-LOM an IG-88(especially IG-88) you can read, and while there might not be too in depth of their abilities. It at least gives somewhat of a description of them, rather then "upgrades, upgrades, upgrades"
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Seductivpancakes
01.10.2012 , 12:15 PM | #18
Honestly, there really isn't much info on HK compared to IG-88 and 4LOM, for the fact that those two droids have been around longer then HK has.

As far as I know, everyone loves him for his personality and dialogue which are valid reasons.

Like I told you, people who proclaim that HK can defeat anyone, is just talking out of their ***, and you should just ignore them.

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Foxfirega
01.10.2012 , 12:20 PM | #19
Go figure a character that primarily has it's entire history grounded in a video-game setting has less exposition then those that have theirs almost entirely in novels.

There's not a lot to go on with HK-47 simply because, as I stated previously, a lot of his are done on-camera. There's a number of things that are still done off-camera that get some explanation of dialogue (killing 322 sentients in a single year while working for Bobcha the Hutt, his primary designation as removal of political figures and anyone else Revan sent him after).

The main reason a lot of his 'upgrades' are left ambiguous is partially due to the fact it's hard to say how often HK-47 was in the 'crew' with Revan throughout KotOR (and later the Exile in KotOR2) and the only thing that can be assumed is that he got some level of upgrades (due to the Tabletop RPG system both games used, these are primarily functions of both level-increases and actual equipment like skill-package upgrades, better mobilizers, and other pieces picked up or purchased throughout both games) just by being in the crew.

He also spent a lot of time around a number of people (Mission, Bao-Dur, Canderous, T3-M4, Atton, Mira, G0-T0) that were either rather skilled in one area or another, or outright some of the best people, period, in certain fields that he could have gotten upgraded by or gotten further information/etc. from to perform his tasks better (plus whatever Revan or the Exile may have done personally).

Again, it still sounds an awful lot like all you're doing is playing goal post roulette. :U
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Wolfninjajedi
01.10.2012 , 12:25 PM | #20
Not trying to, just trying to figure out why some people figure him as the best ever its the same with Boba, Jango, Revan, Kyle, Mandos. I try to wrap my head around it all, but I just don't see it.
"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"
―Cin Drallig to Darth Vader

Maucs the Tauntaun King, former SWG player.