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Star Wars vs WH40K


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Archereon
01.02.2012 , 10:36 AM | #11
While its obvious the Imperium would curbstomp pretty much any SW nation in a land war, Star Wars has one incredible advantage over 40k: It's FTL travel and communications are infinitely faster and more reliable than that of the Imperium.

In fact, Hyperdrives are so fast that Star Wars ships would be able to outmaneuver everyone in 40k besides the Necrons and Eldar, who, respectively, have the problems of most of their assets being inactive and having a really small population.

I'm not all that sure about how powerful 40k starships are, though from what I know they aren't that much more powerful than Star Wars ships if they're even more powerful at all.

Having such a huge mobility advantage also has the nice benefit of marginalizing the Space Marines outside of their home systems, and would pretty much allow a Star Wars power to go around sterilizing Agri worlds until all the Forge and Hive worlds were crippled by famine. It also makes Impeium forces particularly vulnerable to the effects of attrition, since they can't resupply their forces in a timely manner.

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Wolfninjajedi
01.02.2012 , 10:49 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by jarjarloves View Post
I love Star Wars but with out a doubt WH40k would win. Storm troopers wouldn't have a chance against a Space marine. A Bolt gun is far more powerful then a blaster round and we know that Storm Trooper armor can't even block an arrow it also cracks when they fall down.

The AT-ST made of durasteel is weak enough that a tree can crush it.


Force Lightning is amazing but the power of the force is insignificant to the ability to summon a Deamon from beyond the Warp.
Tell that to the guy in stormtrooper armor that was hit with a spear thrown by a mechanical arm, and all that did was ding his armor some(was in some novel if I recall).
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CptBrit
01.02.2012 , 11:09 AM | #13
I'd say WH:40k would win hands down.

Lets just include the Imperium of Man as including Orks, Eldar and Chaos Daemons would make it more of a faceroll than it already would be.

The Imperial Guard can and will regularly deploy millions upon millions of troops to crusades, backed up by Space Marines. Now that alone will give slight pause to any force in the WH:40k Galaxy (Except Orks because it would be fun.) Now backed up by the Titan Legions? Nothing the Star Wars universe can muster would beat that? There is nothing in my mind that is comparable to a Titan in Star Wars.

Now i've read alot more of the Fluff in WH:40k than Star Wars (My knowledge of SW been confined to the films and some games)

The only thing I can see going for Star Wars Galaxy would be Hyperdrive, its so much more effective than the Warp Drive of WH:40k. To "Win" any battles the Star Wars galaxy would need to deploy just about all their fighting forces at one point to win a battle - and I still think the defenses of Terra would hold no matter what the Star Wars Galaxy mustered - and outmanuever the Imperium. But as soon as the Imperial Crusade arrives at Coruscant... It would make the Sith Sacking of Coruscant seem like someone importants cooker set alight. "Humans colabarating with Aliens! HERESY!"

Also the people on any world the Imperium attacked better hope the forces are commanded by some of the more noble troops like the Ultramarines etc because if the Black Templers landed first...

All in All although I think the Star Wars Galaxy could earn some early victories at great cost though when the Imperial guard started landing troops I don't think anything could be done to stop them, delay them maybe but it would need the Sith Empire and the Republic to work together and theres about as much chance as Imperials and Chaos doing that.
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01.02.2012 , 11:19 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Archereon View Post
While its obvious the Imperium would curbstomp pretty much any SW nation in a land war, Star Wars has one incredible advantage over 40k: It's FTL travel and communications are infinitely faster and more reliable than that of the Imperium.

In fact, Hyperdrives are so fast that Star Wars ships would be able to outmaneuver everyone in 40k besides the Necrons and Eldar, who, respectively, have the problems of most of their assets being inactive and having a really small population.

I'm not all that sure about how powerful 40k starships are, though from what I know they aren't that much more powerful than Star Wars ships if they're even more powerful at all.

Having such a huge mobility advantage also has the nice benefit of marginalizing the Space Marines outside of their home systems, and would pretty much allow a Star Wars power to go around sterilizing Agri worlds until all the Forge and Hive worlds were crippled by famine. It also makes Impeium forces particularly vulnerable to the effects of attrition, since they can't resupply their forces in a timely manner.
That's presuming that a) any force in the SW universe could stop massive waves of ships dwarfing theirs (an escort frigate in 40k is 1.6km long, compared to 450m in SW tech; this is the exact same size as an Imperial-class Star Destroyer and similarly armed. Most of the heavy-lifting ships are larger), and b) that they have enough manpower to do both that, and actually take out an Imperial world once, let alone enough to actually get the Imperium to care that it lost a planet (as indicated previously, it loses planets on a daily basis and doesn't even begin to feel the loss).

Interstellar travel is actually roughly equivlant between the two universes, with the caveat that WH40K ships on average have a higher top-end distance limit for inter-stellar flight (a ship may only be good for 4-5 jumps, but it can jump thousands of light years per-jump safely, and go far beyond that if it wants to risk things; SW ships have similar speed, but incredibly more finite range as they're more tied to fuel/power ratios for maintaining their high rate of speed). Sublight, it would probably be a solid 'win' for the SW universe... except that as indicated, 'small' ships in WH40K are equal to the baddest-of-the-bad in SW and throw out more fire then anything imaginable.

A ground war would be outright suicidal for the Republic or Empire, as they barely have the ability to wage wars with each other, let alone something that can field near-limitless troops. Provided it even has to, when it can just drop 100 7-foot man-mountains of raw testosterone armed to the nines to settle most problems. Or where one ship can just glass the surface of a planet - Malak, in contrast, needed an entire fleet to do the deed to Taris. All it takes is one cyclonic torpedo to break a planet in half.

Nevermind that the entire span of space that the Republic and Empire are currently fighting over is equal to (roughly) the entire Imperium (which is mostly fully unified and inhabited). If it comes down to attrition, the Imperium will win. And it likely will.
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01.02.2012 , 11:25 AM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Tell that to the guy in stormtrooper armor that was hit with a spear thrown by a mechanical arm, and all that did was ding his armor some(was in some novel if I recall).
tell that to the stormtroopers who got there asses handed to them by some primitive tree dwelling bears lol

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Rayla_Felana
01.02.2012 , 11:48 AM | #16
It's not even possible for Star Wars to win here, it would be facing innumerable legions of forces from multiple different races, all of which have greater technology, strategical advantage and every other advantage but travel.

Now let me point something out, the only way you could defeat the Imperium of Man is by destroying either the Astronomican or the Emperor himself if that's even possible, and if you did manage that, congratulations you just made things infinitely more impossible for yourself, you've allowed Chaos to pour in and absorb the entire universe, along with every other universe there is, You have literally let Hell, four different versions of it, loose, because the Emperor and the Astronomican is the only thing stopping the Chaos powers having free reign over everything and everyone.

Star Wars simply cannot win, it's a lose/lose situation.

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jarjarloves
01.02.2012 , 11:49 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Tell that to the guy in stormtrooper armor that was hit with a spear thrown by a mechanical arm, and all that did was ding his armor some(was in some novel if I recall).
movies take priotrity over novels. So anything that happens in the novels but contradicts things even just seen in the movies then the movies overrule the books.

So lets say in the novels the Stormtrooper blaster can blast a door open in a single shot well we know from the movies that never happens therefore that part of the novel doesn't happen.

Or a book says the AT-ST armor can take a huge missile and not even get a scratch well we know thats not true because in Jedi two logs can smash a AT-ST.

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jarjarloves
01.02.2012 , 11:50 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post
It's not even possible for Star Wars to win here, it would be facing innumerable legions of forces from multiple different races, all of which have greater technology, strategical advantage and every other advantage but travel.

Now let me point something out, the only way you could defeat the Imperium of Man is by destroying either the Astronomican or the Emperor himself if that's even possible, and if you did manage that, congratulations you just made things infinitely more impossible for yourself, you've allowed Chaos to pour in and absorb the entire universe, along with every other universe there is, You have literally let Hell, four different versions of it, loose, because the Emperor is the only thing stopping the Chaos powers having free reign over everything and everyone.

Star Wars simply cannot win, it's a lose/lose situation.
unless of course The Emperor is the Star Child and is instantly reborn as a god when he dies. But in that case Star Wars still loses

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Foxfirega
01.02.2012 , 11:52 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Rayla_Felana View Post

Now let me point something out, the only way you could defeat the Imperium of Man is by destroying either the Astronomican or the Emperor himself if that's even possible, and if you did manage that, congratulations you just made things infinitely more impossible for yourself, you've allowed Chaos to pour in and absorb the entire universe, along with every other universe there is, You have literally let Hell, four different versions of it, loose, because the Emperor is the only thing stopping the Chaos powers having free reign over everything and everyone.
I dunno, that would be one impressive final action. The sheer amount of effort needed to actually lay siege to Terra and take out the Emperor is titanic.

Infact, only one guy ever really managed the trick, and if memory serves he didn't succeed at that particular task either. The amount of shenanigans he had to leverage to pull even that off (up to and including having a bit over half of the Imperium's best and finest defect) is probably close to irreplicable.

Which is a word I just now made up.
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Rayla_Felana
01.02.2012 , 12:08 PM | #20
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I dunno, that would be one impressive final action. The sheer amount of effort needed to actually lay siege to Terra and take out the Emperor is titanic.

Infact, only one guy ever really managed the trick, and if memory serves he didn't succeed at that particular task either. The amount of shenanigans he had to leverage to pull even that off (up to and including having a bit over half of the Imperium's best and finest defect) is probably close to irreplicable.

Which is a word I just now made up.
The only way I see it being possible is if everything in Star Wars combined together and attacked Terra on one of it's more relaxed days, which is almost never, even Ork 'Waaaaggghhhhs' are treated as regular defense tutorials, which just about says everything.