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Can we please block players that we do not want to go up against?

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Can we please block players that we do not want to go up against?

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Mord_Sith_Spit
04.19.2019 , 05:54 PM | #1
Seriously... I think that is the only way to discourage those that *cough* dominate in unscrupulous ways. I watched a podcast today with a couple of the main guys at SWTOR, and they encouraged questions through the forums, so here is mine.
Thank you in advance!

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phalczen
04.19.2019 , 08:34 PM | #2
Just like ground pvp, /ignore only prevents players from being on your team, and to be honest, I'm not even sure it carries over into GSF.

A / command or personal list that blocked players from getting matches versus you is heavily exploitable. It would make it easy to grief people. This is a terrible suggestion.
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Verain
04.19.2019 , 09:06 PM | #3
It's inherently an exploit to be able to block players that are better than you. Could you imagine the lunacy of a game that allowed that? All the players worse than you would block you, and you'd block all the players better than you. No one would ever get a game again.

Or worse, there would be a mafia of players who collude for wins together. Obviously, their top enemy would be any groups that could beat them, so their entire group would simply set up an ignore list. Given how matchmaking works, it wouldn't take much participation to effectively exclude anyone who has the ability to shoot down your GSF ship to never be able to play again.

This isn't just a bad idea, it's completely counter to the idea of a video game that runs on a server.
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Drakkolich
04.19.2019 , 10:03 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Mord_Sith_Spit View Post
Seriously... I think that is the only way to discourage those that *cough* dominate in unscrupulous ways. I watched a podcast today with a couple of the main guys at SWTOR, and they encouraged questions through the forums, so here is mine.
Thank you in advance!
So the only way this could work is if the person you're ignoring is in queue for a match, it auto opts you out of getting a game.

So for example if you have me on ignore, everything is normal for you until I queue. Once I queue up, you can no longer get a queue pop until I'm in a match or stop being in queue. This would work for multiple people you have on ignore, as long as one of them is in queue you wouldn't be able to get a match.

What you could also have is if a player you have on ignore is backfilled into a game you're already playing, you could have some sort of pop up notification that tells you this so you can immediately choose to leave the game and just take the loss.

This system would give you exactly what you're looking for, you'd never play with or vs the players you're trying to avoid.
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Dreildrag
05.13.2019 , 03:13 PM | #5
6 games today same person 25+ kills under 5 death's. Runners up were only 9 kills max.

Everyone was wondering how and nobody can reproduce the anomaly. What we did get from him/her was "im in a stock fighter".

But yeah I would block people like this just to get into more balanced matches. I just got to remember to unblock them.

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Drakkolich
05.13.2019 , 05:49 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreildrag View Post
6 games today same person 25+ kills under 5 death's. Runners up were only 9 kills max.

Everyone was wondering how and nobody can reproduce the anomaly. What we did get from him/her was "im in a stock fighter".

But yeah I would block people like this just to get into more balanced matches. I just got to remember to unblock them.
First up that score is good, but still not amazing or anything. If you want to see how a player can accrue those kind of results you can simply head on over to my Youtube channel and check out the "solo queue" section.

Second how on earth do you guys think it's ok for you to block someone just because they play better then you do?


If you really did want this kind of feature it would have to be something like I posted above, where if the person that you blocked is playing you just aren't allowed to play.
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Dreildrag
05.13.2019 , 06:46 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Drakkolich View Post
First up that score is good, but still not amazing or anything. If you want to see how a player can accrue those kind of results you can simply head on over to my Youtube channel and check out the "solo queue" section.

Second how on earth do you guys think it's ok for you to block someone just because they play better then you do?


If you really did want this kind of feature it would have to be something like I posted above, where if the person that you blocked is playing you just aren't allowed to play.
If we have to block someone to get some fair matches while using training wheels we will! Just got to remember to unblock them when its over.

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Drakkolich
05.13.2019 , 07:47 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreildrag View Post
If we have to block someone to get some fair matches while using training wheels we will! Just got to remember to unblock them when its over.
Why don't you just grab a few friends and go practice in custom matches if you just really want to practice in a "safe space" ?
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Nightmaregale
05.14.2019 , 01:29 AM | #9
As far as I understood your main concern is having balaced matches?
Being able to block people from matches would definitely enable you to adjust the teams the matchmaker proposes.
But what would happen with this?
Let's take my char for an example:
I just checked my average stats after nearly 2000 games recently:
Kills ~5 Assissts ~8 Deaths ~2-3 (each per match)
These stats look average for 2000 games. especially since I have been flying a lot of T1 Bomber with seismic and interdiction. Not much kills and assissts there.
But depending on the opposition I had a game yesterday where I was K/D/A 23/0/9 or sth similar. If the blocking would be available ther probably would be around 14 people that would have blocked me. So as long as even one of them queues I would not be able to play. Out of my perspective that is sth really bad since that would destroy my free time activity since I mainly play GSF in my freetime...
Additionally it wouldn't really make things better. Due you have an idea how many people there are that can get 20+ kills in TDM? Well you can block everyone after identifying them manually. Have fun ;D

That aside yeah the matchmaker is really crapy from time to time. Yesterday for example we had a close game, good job matchmaker. Next game all the good people from the previous match are on the same team...
So sth like a better matching system would be good. I even can see people on ignore being not put in your match or on your team and friends preferably in your team as a preference. But only as a preferance, so that both parties have the chance to play this game.

On another node what I would favor would be if the matchmaker would look for similar strong teams with a better distinction. So that it can distinguish between how good people are, gives them a value and makes teams so that the teams have roughly a similar value. A lot of people have discussed about this already and there are several threads about "how the matchmaker could be better"

Edit:
Yeah if you have enough friends that want to fly (just for fun) going to the custom matches can definitely be worthwhile.
Though you need a few friends for that. Aside from that you can also avoid aces by adding them to your friendlist to see when they are in a game and only queue when they are in on or if they are offline. In general most of the aces only fly in the evening and morning / afternoon is normally a pretty good time to find other newer pilots.
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Verain
05.14.2019 , 04:51 PM | #10
Also on the topic of this thread- if there was anything like this, it would be really bad.

First, if implemented as requested- you and enough people block me and my team, and we don't get to play- that's obviously crap, and only exists as a topic as a way to dodge games against players you won't win against (the fact that it's yet another contrived excuse to hope to trick a dev into soft-banning players that can beat you is also obvious). You clearly won't be blocking many players that you expect to beat.

Secondly, if implemented more logically- where you simply don't get pops if anyone on your blocklist is in queue- it only works ok if there's only one game going on, because at that point it equals "you don't get pops until the players you have blocked are done playing". The moment there are two or more games going, you are effectively dumping the harder competition, leaving players who don't know the list of players to "ban" (dodge) having to fight the same players. You don't deserve such largesse, not at my expense, not at the expense of random noobs, not in general.
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