Spoiler for the Sith Warrior Ending:

Spoiler for the Sith Warrior Ending:

 

You kill the Emperor's Voice (think of it as a long-term possession of another's body, a variation on what you saw when the Emperor briefly took over Kira), and even then it was soon after he was significantly weakened by Darth Baras trapping him in another Voice's body - forcing the Warrior to kill that Voice to free the Emperor.

 

The back-to-back deaths of two host bodies severely weakened the Emperor and drove him into seclusion as he recovers (which is why some in the Empire even believe the Republic's claim that he's been killed), but he's not dead yet.

 

It's probably a safe bet that when you really kill him in game, it'll be at the end of an Operation, and a higher level one than the Dread Masters fight.

From what Hall hood said, it wasnt the emperors voice, it was actually the emperors real body that got destroyed.

From what Hall hood said, it wasnt the emperors voice, it was actually the emperors real body that got destroyed.

Source? Not doubting you per se, but the mail the Warrior gets at the end of his/her class story and some dialogue options during Makeb both indicate it was a Voice (or at the very least that the writers are leaving the door open to later on saying "nope, that was just the Voice").

From a game design perspective it would be just... silly to have the Emperor actually be dead at this stage. He is clearly set up as a threat to both the Empire and Republic with his "kill the galaxy -> become a god -> profit" plan, which makes him the perfect epic enemy to anchor an Operation towards the end of the game's life cycle. The entire concept of him having a "Voice" that he possesses seems designed around letting you defeat him, but not really kill him.

The only reason I can see for having him dead from a game design and/or story perspective would be if they thought the game was going to be shut down before an Emperor Operation could be released, they might say that it was really him that the Knight killed in order to just wrap up loose ends.

Source? Not doubting you per se, but the mail the Warrior gets at the end of his/her class story and some dialogue options during Makeb both indicate it was a Voice (or at the very least that the writers are leaving the door open to later on saying "nope, that was just the Voice").

Thats because they assumed they were going to continue class story. Now that class story went sinking like the titanic they are backtracking.

http://torwars.com/torwars-podcast-98-our-interview-with-biowares-hall-hood/

Cliffs:

Hall hood said that the emperors real body was destroyed by the knight and is in some sort of spirit form now. Also later on he now has said that the emperors fate is unclear.

Thats because they assumed they were going to continue class story. Now that class story went sinking like the titanic they are backtracking.

 

http://torwars.com/torwars-podcast-98-our-interview-with-biowares-hall-hood/

 

Cliffs:

 

Hall hood said that the emperors real body was destroyed by the knight and is in some sort of spirit form now. Also later on he now has said that the emperors fate is unclear.

Maybe so, but all evidence points to the Voice. Even the Wookieepedia claims it as canon, that his essence left the voice and returned to his "true body" in the unknown regions.

Maybe so, but all evidence points to the Voice. Even the Wookieepedia claims it as canon, that his essence left the voice and returned to his "true body" in the unknown regions.

It doesnt matter, Hall Hood > Wookiepedia and what the game has said.

Either way, to me ,the fact that your jedi knight even goes toe to toe with the emperor should tell you how powerful you really are

The JK goes toe to toe with a severely weakened emperor, not the emperor at "full power"

The answer is because it's a video game. Not everything is going to make sense.

How can you get shot thousands of times over the course of the game and not die? Why is it that lightsabers function like glowing baseball bats rather than weapons that can instantly kill or slice through anything.

You can say that those examples are gameplay based and not story specific, but the stories are littered with the same types of "faults" as well.

Judging a character's power or skill when it comes to these types of things is always going to be flawed. It's like arguing over what power levels characters are in Dragon Ball Z. There's no point.

The JK story is the game's "Hero Story" or KOTOR3 in a sense so of course it's epic, and of course you fight the emperor at the end of it, etc, etc.

The 8 classes in terms of stories are all characters who accomplish amazing feats. That's what their stories are supposed to be. The specifics don't really matter, but rather the feeling of empowerment is what they're trying to get across.

Note that nothing in Operations or Heroics would be something that one of the single classes couldn't overcome, especially when you factor in their crew/companions, because their individual stories constantly show them overcoming these impossible odds that nothing should/would ever present a problem for them.

It doesnt matter, Hall Hood > Wookiepedia and what the game has said.

Released game > Hall Hood. Unless it is specifically stated that it was Emperor's true total body, then what the Warrior story states remains. And frankly, it should because the Emperor having original human body is nonsense.

Released game > Hall Hood. Unless it is specifically stated that it was Emperor's true total body, then what the Warrior story states remains. And frankly, it should because the Emperor having original human body is nonsense.

Not at all, Hall Hood wrote the JK storyline and is the Lead Writer for the game. What he says regarding what happened is canon.

Dont like it? Guess what, it isnt changing.

Not at all, Hall Hood wrote the JK storyline and is the Lead Writer for the game. What he says regarding what happened is canon.

 

Dont like it? Guess what, it isnt changing.

Without even getting into any high-minded "Death of the Author" literary theory, that is just not how fiction works. The final written product is what matters, especially in a collaborative work like a video game of this scale.

Hall Hood may have his concept of what happens there, and if he is the one to write the follow-up that finalizes it, then yes it will be canon at that point. But the released product as it stands is ambiguous at best. EA/BW could easily veto Hood's idea because they want the last Operation in the game to be against the Emperor's true body.

To use another example in Star Wars EU: when Vergere was created (or at least by the time Traitor was written), the author intended her to be a character who shows a broader understanding of the Force to the heroes and whose influence changes the Jedi Order for the better. Then Legacy of the Force comes along and says: "turns out she's a Sith and she was corrupting her student" - guess which is canon? It's not Matt Stover's take on her, it's what the final product ended up being.

Without even getting into any high-minded "Death of the Author" literary theory, that is just not how fiction works. The final written product is what matters, especially in a collaborative work like a video game of this scale.

 

Hall Hood may have his concept of what happens there, and if he is the one to write the follow-up that finalizes it, then yes it will be canon at that point. But the released product as it stands is ambiguous at best. EA/BW could easily veto Hood's idea because they want the last Operation in the game to be against the Emperor's true body.

 

To use another example in Star Wars EU: when Vergere was created (or at least by the time Traitor was written), the author intended her to be a character who shows a broader understanding of the Force to the heroes and whose influence changes the Jedi Order for the better. Then Legacy of the Force comes along and says: "turns out she's a Sith and she was corrupting her student" - guess which is canon? It's not Matt Stover's take on her, it's what the final product ended up being.

The point is Hall Hood has said it was not the emperors voice that got killed, but the emperors true body and that he is now some sort of spirit. Not that the Emperor is dead to never return.

There is no reason to believe the Emperors hands as they didnt even tell you your term as the new Emperors Wrath was going to be short lived as you were about to be destroyed by your new master.

The point is Hall Hood has said it was not the emperors voice that got killed, but the emperors true body and that he is now some sort of spirit.

The problem is that the body shown in Knight's story is pure human. It's an old human male. That doesn't fit, Vitiate was born during Golden Age where even most human-blooded people had visible Sith markings due to interbreeding (like Naga Sadow)

dont take that up with me, take it up with hall hood. I see the outside game reason to this as Bioware backtracking due to class stories not being continued. Thus they never have to bring the Emperor back in game if they dont want to or continue that storyline in the novels.

I'm agnostic on the whole Emperor thing. Maybe he's dead, maybe he isn't. At this point I don't really care.

To use another example in Star Wars EU: when Vergere was created (or at least by the time Traitor was written), the author intended her to be a character who shows a broader understanding of the Force to the heroes and whose influence changes the Jedi Order for the better. Then Legacy of the Force comes along and says: "turns out she's a Sith and she was corrupting her student" - guess which is canon? It's not Matt Stover's take on her, it's what the final product ended up being.

Uh, Jacen figures out that Vergere is Sith during the events of Traitor. He brings it up to her, and she sidesteps it in her usual way, but it's still out there in black and white. I think authorial intent is very murky there. As far as I know, Stover never said anything specific about whether he believed Vergere was Sith or not, but the language in Traitor is suggestive enough. You might not be able to say unequivocally that Stover intended for her to be Sith, but you certainly can't say that he wrote her as explicitly not Sith.

In fact, the final sentence of the book arguably foreshadows Jacen's fall. Earlier, he denied the validity of Vergere's claim about flowers and weeds, and argued that all living things are flowers. But after the fight in the Nursery, and later the Battle of the World-Well, we get this:

[...] The bubble [Nom Anor's stolen ship] is its own universe.

 

Within this universe, there are traitors. One is a teacher, and a student; another is a student, and a teacher.

 

One is a gardener.

 

This universe falls toward another, wider universe: a universe that is a garden-

 

Which is still full of weeds.

Without even getting into any high-minded "Death of the Author" literary theory, that is just not how fiction works. The final written product is what matters, especially in a collaborative work like a video game of this scale.

 

Hall Hood may have his concept of what happens there, and if he is the one to write the follow-up that finalizes it, then yes it will be canon at that point. But the released product as it stands is ambiguous at best. EA/BW could easily veto Hood's idea because they want the last Operation in the game to be against the Emperor's true body.

 

To use another example in Star Wars EU: when Vergere was created (or at least by the time Traitor was written), the author intended her to be a character who shows a broader understanding of the Force to the heroes and whose influence changes the Jedi Order for the better. Then Legacy of the Force comes along and says: "turns out she's a Sith and she was corrupting her student" - guess which is canon? It's not Matt Stover's take on her, it's what the final product ended up being.

Your Sginature is epic did you read that there might be another Kain game on the way..??

Your Sginature is epic did you read that there might be another Kain game on the way..??

Heck yeah! Signed up for the Beta and still hoping I get a crack at it.

I'm not thrilled that it's going to be Multi-player only without Kain, Raziel or any real story to speak of (story and characters were why I loved Legacy of Kain series), but I'm hoping it generates enough interest to lead to a proper sequel.