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Why Dooku and Anakin's relationship is so bad?


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They are quite similar in many ways, both are passionate as jedi and against PT Jedi's rule.

 

JOCASTA NU: Well, Count Dooku was always a bit out of step

with the decisions of the Council... much like your old

Master, Qui-Gon Jinn.

 

OBI-WAN: (surprised) Really?

 

JOCASTA NU: Oh, yes. They were alike in many ways. Very

individual thinkers... idealists...

 

JOCASTA NU gazes at the bust.

 

JOCASTA NU: He was always striving to become a more

powerful Jedi. He wanted to be the best. With a lightsaber,

in the old style of fencing, he had no match. His knowledge

of the Force was... unique. In the end, I think he left

because he lost faith in the Republic. He believed that

politics were corrupt, and he felt the Jedi betrayed

themselves by serving the politicians. He always had very

high expectations of government. He disappeared for nine or

ten years, then just showed up recently as the head of the

separatist movement.

 

In the novel of EP III Obi Wan also saw the similarity of Qui Gon on Anakin. Both Anakin and Dooku have very good relationship with Qui Gon as well. However even as enemies they hate each other a lot. Anakin is understandable, but not sure about Dooku. He really dislike Anakin even when Sidious asked him to corrupt him to be their ally, he much prefer Obi Wan, even asked Sidious to choose Obi Wan and kill Anakin, Obi Wan was quite different than the two.

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Maybe Dooku thinks Anakin lacks style?

 

On a serious note, Anakin and Dooku have a very different temperament. Dooku is very controlled, while Anakin is very uncontrolled. Dooku plans, Anakin follows his instincts. For Dooku, power is earned through training and skill (and manipulation). Anakin likes to take shortcuts through power.

 

I think Dooku thinks Anakin doesn't deserve the power he has. Especially he doesn't deserve to be the chosen one. (IIRC Dooku once thought he was the chosen one and also told the Jedi council, but they said no.)

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Maybe Dooku thinks Anakin lacks style?

 

On a serious note, Anakin and Dooku have a very different temperament. Dooku is very controlled, while Anakin is very uncontrolled. Dooku plans, Anakin follows his instincts. For Dooku, power is earned through training and skill (and manipulation). Anakin likes to take shortcuts through power.

 

I think Dooku thinks Anakin doesn't deserve the power he has. Especially he doesn't deserve to be the chosen one. (IIRC Dooku once thought he was the chosen one and also told the Jedi council, but they said no.)

 

Dooku was also quite passionate when he was young.

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Maybe Dooku thinks Anakin lacks style?

 

On a serious note, Anakin and Dooku have a very different temperament. Dooku is very controlled, while Anakin is very uncontrolled. Dooku plans, Anakin follows his instincts. For Dooku, power is earned through training and skill (and manipulation). Anakin likes to take shortcuts through power.

 

I think Dooku thinks Anakin doesn't deserve the power he has. Especially he doesn't deserve to be the chosen one. (IIRC Dooku once thought he was the chosen one and also told the Jedi council, but they said no.)

 

You are not that far off...

 

I just finished reading the novel "Labyrinth of Evil." it is a prequel to RotS (the end of the book butts right up against the start of E3). Very good book that goes into a lot of the motivations of the "bad guys."

 

 

basically, ever since their first encounter in E2 and throughout the Clone Wars, Anakin (and Obi Wan) has been chasing Dooku, and every time Anakin gets close, Dooku manages to slip away. This angers Anakin.

 

Dooku also knows that Sidious wants to bring Anakin into the Sith fold. Dooku speculates whether Sidious intends to replace him with Anakin. And there are times when Dooku believes Anakin is worthy and others when he believes Anakin is not worthy

 

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Why Anakin doesn't like Dooku? He cut his hand off, people really have a hard time getting over something like that.

 

Why Dooku doesn't like Anakin? Dooku is cut from a similiar cloth as Palpatine, manipulation is what they do but when forced to fight they fight well. Anakin is a fighter, he really doesn't like intrigue and plots and 10 times out of 10 he'd rather be fighting an army by himself than trying to negotiate with a bunch of politicians. Dooku see's him as rash and foolish, doesn't mean he doesn't see Anakin as useful, but Dooku seems him more of a tool than an ally and therefore can't respect him.

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Dooku was also quite passionate when he was young.

 

Yeah, when he was young. However his passion is in controlled bursts while Anakin's is erratic. There's a reason we see Anakin's eyes go yellow but not Dooku's.

 

Dooku has a sense of honour while Anakin sought shortcuts to power, as has been said. Anakin's arrogance would also have irked Dooku.

 

This is why Dooku saw himself as a sort of grandfather figure to Obi-Wan but looked down on Anakin as undisciplined.

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Yeah, when he was young. However his passion is in controlled bursts while Anakin's is erratic. There's a reason we see Anakin's eyes go yellow but not Dooku's.

 

Dooku has a sense of honour while Anakin sought shortcuts to power, as has been said. Anakin's arrogance would also have irked Dooku.

 

This is why Dooku saw himself as a sort of grandfather figure to Obi-Wan but looked down on Anakin as undisciplined.

 

Dooku is also quite arrogant, he also seeks power, when he met Hego Damask(Plagueis) he said he wants to know the full secret of the Force, including the Dark Side.

 

So beside the difference of their intelligence(mostly caused by age), they are quite similar.

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Dooku is also quite arrogant, he also seeks power, when he met Hego Damask(Plagueis) he said he wants to know the full secret of the Force, including the Dark Side.

 

So beside the difference of their intelligence(mostly caused by age), they are quite similar.

 

Of course he's arrogant, which is why he'd be less tolerant of an arrogant opponent than a more modest one.

 

Yes Dooku sought power, but he honed his saber skills for decades and did appreciate skill over raw, brutish power without finesse.

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Of course he's arrogant, which is why he'd be less tolerant of an arrogant opponent than a more modest one.

 

Yes Dooku sought power, but he honed his saber skills for decades and did appreciate skill over raw, brutish power without finesse.

 

Anakin also let his Dejm So style adapted some elements of Makashi.

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Both Dooku and Anakin have a sense of entitlement, Dooku's from his noble background and Anakin's from being called the Chosen One, but besides that and a few unorthodox traits they're actually pretty different for the most part.

 

Dooku was an idealist who was looking for the best in both the Jedi and the Republic, and anything or anyone that fell short of that ideal was a failure in his eyes. When one of his apprentices admitted having feelings about him, he orchestrated her removal from the Jedi order, because he saw her as a failed Jedi. The fact that the two organizations didn't live up to his standards is partially why he went to the dark side, and his plan was to turn the Jedi into a force that ruled the galaxy without the corrupt Republic Senate. He was composed, very intelligent both philosophically and tactically, and the greatest scion of the Jedi Order's values until his betrayal.

 

Anakin is nowhere near the idealist Dooku is. He doesn't like the company of politicians because he finds them untrustworthy, besides Sidious of course, and wants only to improve himself instead of the whole Jedi Order. He allowed Ferus Olin to fail and get someone killed simply out of jealousy, and has repeatedly fallen short of what it meant to be an ideal Jedi. He has never shown any desire to improve the Jedi Order, not even taking an apprentice until one was forced upon him, and fights only to defend those he cares for. He is brash, reckless, and doesn't give the proper respect his elders deserve, making him seem to Dooku as almost the epitome of a bad Jedi.

 

Obi-Wan was always the one Dooku preferred, both because of Qui-Gon being his master and because he is seen by many as the closest to being the ideal Jedi. To Dooku Anakin must seem like some spoiled brat Obi-Wan has to constantly take care of, and the only reason he didn't kill him in their many conflicts is because of Sidious' orders.

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Anakin does think only power can bring peace, Dooku also went that way, their difference of maturity is mostly caused by age.

 

Obi Wan's logic is totally different, he's a ideal jedi.

 

Dooku was tempered by his following of the Jedi code and his determination to be the best Jedi he could be. He wasn't obsessed with titles and recognition like Anakin, who got upset at the pace of him attaining knighthood and masterhood (even though he never sucessfully fully trained a padawan). When Anakin and Ferus Olin were apprentices, Ferus was the idealistic Jedi while Anakin was the jealous one who didn't mind breaking the code for his own gain. In Dooku's case, he was the idealistic one where his friend Lorian Nod was the jealous one who broke the code to get what he wanted.

 

Yes Dooku was pretty arrogant at times, but the question at hand is why he didn't see Anakin in a better light. The answer has already been said, and it is that he saw the young knight as arrogant, selfish, and not deserving of the title of Jedi. Even if they had a slight few similarities, it doesn't change his attitude towards Anakin.

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Dooku was tempered by his following of the Jedi code and his determination to be the best Jedi he could be. He wasn't obsessed with titles and recognition like Anakin, who got upset at the pace of him attaining knighthood and masterhood (even though he never sucessfully fully trained a padawan). When Anakin and Ferus Olin were apprentices, Ferus was the idealistic Jedi while Anakin was the jealous one who didn't mind breaking the code for his own gain. In Dooku's case, he was the idealistic one where his friend Lorian Nod was the jealous one who broke the code to get what he wanted.

 

Yes Dooku was pretty arrogant at times, but the question at hand is why he didn't see Anakin in a better light. The answer has already been said, and it is that he saw the young knight as arrogant, selfish, and not deserving of the title of Jedi. Even if they had a slight few similarities, it doesn't change his attitude towards Anakin.

 

No, Dooku was very against PT Jedi's code, much like Qui Gon, he was already very disappointed with the Jedi and the republic before Qui Gon's death, In the conversation between him and Damask he also said he wants to discover the full power of the Force, including the Dark Side.

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There's a difference between disliking and disrespecting, and it is true that he said that, but it was later when he was already disillusioned with both organizations. Back when he was a student and early in his time as an instructor that was not the case, made obvious both by the order's desire for him to teach and the council offering him a position among their ranks. They never offered such a spot to Qui-Gon, who wasn't disappointed with the Jedi, but instead was criticizing them for what he saw as a lack of vision.

 

And yes he did want to explore the dark side, once again later when he was already believing the order influenced by the republic's corruption. After that he was influenced by Sidious to begin drifting towards the dark side, but still held some respect for the order and his old teachers. When Yoda came and had a long talk with Dooku, he was so close to bringing Dooku back to the light that Sidious saw it necessary to sabotage it and send Obi-Wan and Anakin to stop it.

 

After that Dooku's anger at the supposed betrayal kept him from wanting to join the order anymore, but the fact that he was that close to redemption meant he obviously still had some dear feelings for the order and its teachings.

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There's a difference between disliking and disrespecting, and it is true that he said that, but it was later when he was already disillusioned with both organizations. Back when he was a student and early in his time as an instructor that was not the case, made obvious both by the order's desire for him to teach and the council offering him a position among their ranks. They never offered such a spot to Qui-Gon, who wasn't disappointed with the Jedi, but instead was criticizing them for what he saw as a lack of vision.

 

And yes he did want to explore the dark side, once again later when he was already believing the order influenced by the republic's corruption. After that he was influenced by Sidious to begin drifting towards the dark side, but still held some respect for the order and his old teachers. When Yoda came and had a long talk with Dooku, he was so close to bringing Dooku back to the light that Sidious saw it necessary to sabotage it and send Obi-Wan and Anakin to stop it.

 

After that Dooku's anger at the supposed betrayal kept him from wanting to join the order anymore, but the fact that he was that close to redemption meant he obviously still had some dear feelings for the order and its teachings.

 

And by the time Anakin became Jedi both the republic and the Jedi order already became to corrupted and inflexible. Dooku criticized the Jedi many times, he quit the Jedi order before made ally with Sidious.

 

Anakin also still kept some respect to Qui Gon, in the novel he even offered a chance for Obi Wan to let him go before they fight, that's pretty much it. Dooku kept some respect to certain individuals, yes. But he mostly wanted to turn them to his side rather than return to the light, he said Qui Gon would join him if he was alive, he also asked his master to let Obi Wan join them. He likes certain individuals, but certainly not the order and the jedi way anymore. He pretty much believes power can bring peace and order to the galaxy.

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