I think you give them too much credit. Yesterday I was grouped with/against so many 12/13k people it was ridiculous.

As much as I agree.....its not just the 14-16k'ers...but its also the 10-11k'ers that are just complete idiots that refuse to even upgrade gear. Yesterday I seen .../QUOTE]

 

I would like to add that before you even consider entering a 50 wz for the 1st time, please stop by your friendly recruit gear vendor and get your free gear. Everyone loves free stuff amirite? Also please make sure you are buffed and wearing a cylinder/stance...it happens...a lot. And after said death please re-apply your buffs;)

 

I'm not trying to get to the one fool who has 10-12k in a 50 warzone...that doesn't warrant more than a tell on my part. What I'm saying is that in nearly every warzone, we have at least 2 14-16k guys. This is who I'm targeting.

 

Yeah, they don't read the forums, yeah, I may be wasting my time. I also may not be. I've received half applause half civil critique so far, so it's not a terrible idea.

The stance is what gives you more survivablitly, not really the generator.

yes, I'm aware of the respective benefits. all dmg reduction is significant when carrying the ball, imo. whereas when dpsing, you're not the lone dpser.

ank stance gives you the flat DR increase on your armor, the shield only guards against ranged and meele damage, not the 90% of incoming force and tech attacks (until 2.0 hits anyways).

Also, Juggs lose all of their rage when swapping stances

I'm nervous about this. I haven't played the PTS. maybe someone who has can chime in, but I imagine tanks could be a huge problem now that they shield...well...everything.

I'm nervous about this. I haven't played the PTS. maybe someone who has can chime in, but I imagine tanks could be a huge problem now that they shield...well...everything.

Being a tank, i'm now happy that we won't be passed over in anything but huttball. However, as it is not possible to shield an auto-crit attack, smashers and PT's will still be our biggest threat.

Are you other Sin tanks using the tank set? I did start gearing out my Sin when the stalker gear was all the rage for tanks, so I stuck with it. I do use a shield over the focus but, even in full WH, non augmented stalker gear, I just broke 17k HP's. Even if I augmented everything with the +18 endurance x 14 that's 252 endurance for 2520 more HP's. Still not even breaking 20k. I see some that are 24k+. Then again I'm pretty sure my expertise is pretty high at 1335, I could possibly sacrifice the two crystals for two endurance one's for another 820 HP's. I just say this because I do see a lot of posts about 14-16k HP toons in WZ's and it's giving me a complex! lol

Great thread nonetheless. I'm that Sin that likes to going to the off node for guard duty as well. I never try and 1vs1, I always mezz and call.

I know someone else already mentioned it but my biggest pet peeve are the tanks that don't release the guard when carrying the huttball or peeling to another node. Bind your guard, learn to guard swap and be flexible with it. It also bugs me when a tank puts his guard on me at the start of a match. If you see dark charge, ion canister or soresu form, they are in tank stance. If you're guarding them, they can't guard someone else. I've accidentally removed buffs trying to get the guard off of me, so please stop it. It's one thing if you are saving me from death, I do appreciate it, but once a healer brings me back or it looks like I'll be alright, take it off.

yes, I'm aware of the respective benefits. all dmg reduction is significant when carrying the ball, imo. whereas when dpsing, you're not the lone dpser.

My point is you dont need the generator to reap the benefits of the stance though.

I'm nervous about this. I haven't played the PTS. maybe someone who has can chime in, but I imagine tanks could be a huge problem now that they shield...well...everything.

They still cant shield internal, elemental damage as far as I could see (i.e: dots). They stay up much longer now though. I legitmately had a 5 min 1 v 1 with another sin tank tank on my sin tank

My point is you dont need the generator to reap the benefits of the stance though.

fair enough. can't swap gear in combat though. only reason to leave it on. I change stance on the fly.

Are you other Sin tanks using the tank set? I did start gearing out my Sin when the stalker gear was all the rage for tanks, so I stuck with it. I do use a shield over the focus but, even in full WH, non augmented stalker gear, I just broke 17k HP's. Even if I augmented everything with the +18 endurance x 14 that's 252 endurance for 2520 more HP's. Still not even breaking 20k. I see some that are 24k+. Then again I'm pretty sure my expertise is pretty high at 1335, I could possibly sacrifice the two crystals for two endurance one's for another 820 HP's. I just say this because I do see a lot of posts about 14-16k HP toons in WZ's and it's giving me a complex! lol

 

Great thread nonetheless. I'm that Sin that likes to going to the off node for guard duty as well. I never try and 1vs1, I always mezz and call.

 

I know someone else already mentioned it but my biggest pet peeve are the tanks that don't release the guard when carrying the huttball or peeling to another node. Bind your guard, learn to guard swap and be flexible with it. It also bugs me when a tank puts his guard on me at the start of a match. If you see dark charge, ion canister or soresu form, they are in tank stance. If you're guarding them, they can't guard someone else. I've accidentally removed buffs trying to get the guard off of me, so please stop it. It's one thing if you are saving me from death, I do appreciate it, but once a healer brings me back or it looks like I'll be alright, take it off.

IMO, wearing dps gear in tank spec is kinda dumb. Your job is not to be trying to one burst people ect as a SIN tank. My sole purpose when I play Morce as tank in PVP is to harash their healers and be a pain in the butt to everyone. Carry the ball in huttball, stealth guard a node in CW, mash face into keyboard on voidstar repeatly ...this new hypergate WZ I am still getting the hang of it--been gone for 6 months.

But everyone has their play style, so I won't take away from that aspect.

Good guide though Kenny...

as a sin, you don't need tank gear to guard a node. you might as well be in dps gear to do more dmg. you do need tank gear to guard healers. you need the hp.

:2cents:

I want to add that dps should stop tunneling healers...

Never.

I want to add that dps should stop tunneling healers but then again it's fine for the dps to do that while ball holder is scoring or we are capping. But something to think about and for healers stop face tanking!

I covered kiting in the heals and RDPS section...face tanking would be the opposite of that. It's part of the game for DPS to go after healers, because...well we heal people. I wonder if there's a forum mod that could make this a sticky...

I covered kiting in the heals and RDPS section...face tanking would be the opposite of that. It's part of the game for DPS to go after healers, because...well we heal people. I wonder if there's a forum mod that could make this a sticky...

How about adding a special Stealth section?

Though my play time and just about ceased since getting to 50 on my Sorc (Started watching Fairy Tail and can't stop!!) I did notice that stealthers more-so on the Imp side like to "help" too often and way too early.

Perhaps this is just my perspective of what the role of stealth classes should be, but I see way too often a stealth player will come to "help" someone attempting to train defenders away from an objective or even worse, the ones that respond to an inc call then pop out of stealth just moments before the person that was defending is killed.

Please, stop helping! Stealthers are supposed to be "dirty" fighters, they should be getting last hit on targets. If your team member that was solo defending is about to die.. just let them. Stay in stealth and protect the objective so there is time for that player to return to the fight before you go and get involved.

As for attacking healers, IMO, that is not always the best option. In fact, for myself as a Sage/Sorc, it is often the last option.

In a response to a question a while back for how people prioritize targets in the PvP forums, I wrote this (see spoiler). It may be wrong for what most people think of a Sage/Sorc, but it feels like the right play style for me.

There are plenty of other threads out there regarding what you should do with your gear. I was helping a Juggernaut out yesterday that was in Tank form and spec, but had full Vindicator gear on (just did a weeks worth of warzone's to get that gear too). It's simple, look at the gear and see what set bonus best fits your class, and if you can't figure it out don't be afraid to ask.

Just wanted to point this out I've seen alot of people doing this and this guy isn't bad for going DPS rather than full tank gear people are speccing into the 16/25/0 build and using the vindicator set bonus which is the 10% healing to your health when you leap to someone and the for 4set bonus as well (can't remember which one it is) gives you more DPS but you can still tank fairly well too.

Just wanted to point this out I've seen alot of people doing this and this guy isn't bad for going DPS rather than full tank gear people are speccing into the 16/25/0 build and using the vindicator set bonus which is the 10% healing to your health when you leap to someone and the for 4set bonus as well (can't remember which one it is) gives you more DPS but you can still tank fairly well too.

We're not making this about him....but that wasn't what he was going for.

Interesting point of view Kayko. I like a lot of what you said, but I'm trying to keep this simple (target audience and all) and I'll see what I can incorporate into this.

Actually that's not a bad idea to add his points in.

Another point to add to his; if there are two defenders and one of them is stealth, don't place the guard unless you're both in combat. If a Sin in stealth guards a merc, anyone coming to the node will notice the merc is guarded and not alone. Conversly if a Jugg guards an operative, they'll see the icon at the Jugg's feet (and on his buff bar) that he's guarding someone and thus not alone. Don't advertise.

IMO, wearing dps gear in tank spec is kinda dumb.

You know, I do agree with you. The only thing I could say to this is I'm always solo queing so I feel more comfortable in dps gear than tanking gear. If I were queing with a healer all the time that would be a different story but seeing how you never know what you're going to get in a pug I feel more flexible in dps gear. But I do agree I am a drain on healers resources when trying to tank for them, especially if I'm the only 'tank' in the group. So yeah.

I wonder if there's a forum mod that could make this a sticky...

Try reporting your opening post and requesting a sticky. That may do the trick.

Always have grenades handy in the off chance you get matched up against Roxxay. Always grenade her on site (The Yooni Rule).

 

Hobi

PD

/sigh:mad:

Don't know about you but I stack shield on my deception set.

Did you enjoy queuing imp, aka NiM pvp, last night? Lol

Interesting point of view Kayko. I like a lot of what you said, but I'm trying to keep this simple (target audience and all) and I'll see what I can incorporate into this.

Oh, sorry, I didn't intend for my points in the spoiler to be a part of any sort of beginners guide to PvP. Those are very specific to the Sage/Sorc in the specific style that I play in. Some Sage/Sorcs have managed to pull off the stand and turret strat yet I have no clue how that is pulled off.

However, since stealth is not exclusive to a single class/spec, it may be something that could be added (of course that is if I am correct on this sort of assumption of how stealth should be played.) At least newer stealth class players will start to learn that exposing yourself too early is often far worse then letting someone die. Or others may understand why that stealth standing next to you just sat and watched you die in a 2v1. Though I often get it, I never expect to get help from a teammate that is stealthed near me.

Did you enjoy queuing imp, aka NiM pvp, last night? Lol

I need to invite you to teamspeak when I queue and you can listen to my non-stop rage rofl. Thanks for joining me in gimp I mean imp pvp <3

I need to invite you to teamspeak when I queue and you can listen to my non-stop rage rofl. Thanks for joining me in gimp I mean imp pvp <3

Was that some sort of crack at my new outfit I was wearing?

been playin' imp toons as much as reps this week. holy hell hole. both factions are caked with ridiculously undergeared players, most of whom don't have a clue about strat.

e.g. : in ahg, I'm on my stealth and there are 2 other stealth going to the other team's "natural" node. as soon as the other stealther gets there, he mezzes the opponent trying to cap. dude! you just announced our presence at the beginning of round one. so we're then committed to taking the node, which we do, but then lose it almost immediately because the whole other team collapses on us. stuff like that in every WZ for either faction. I'll block the natural node in CW and nobody caps. I just got out of one where the assassin left the healing merc to guard snow. unreal. lol

been playin' imp toons as much as reps this week. holy hell hole. both factions are caked with ridiculously undergeared players, most of whom don't have a clue about strat.

 

e.g. : in ahg, I'm on my stealth and there are 2 other stealth going to the other team's "natural" node. as soon as the other stealther gets there, he mezzes the opponent trying to cap. dude! you just announced our presence at the beginning of round one. so we're then committed to taking the node, which we do, but then lose it almost immediately because the whole other team collapses on us. stuff like that in every WZ for either faction. I'll block the natural node in CW and nobody caps. I just got out of one where the assassin left the healing merc to guard snow. unreal. lol

Most of them have no idea how to gear, they hit 50 and hit the join queue button. If you try to tell them about the recruit gear its usually met with a big ole go F*** yourself. They complain they don't have creds to put augments in, well what the hell are you doing with your time? Let me guess, standing around the fleet complaining how bad pvp is. As far as node guarding I have healers on both sides and am constantly being left to guard solo. I'm like *** really guys. The stupid medals system on pvp is the worse thing ever. People think if you aren't putting up the best epeen numbers you didn't contribute, i.e. stopping someone from capping 3 times in a row, where's the medal for that? Meh, just please be kind and get your free gear and actually listen if someone wants to give you constructive criticism.

been playin' imp toons as much as reps this week. holy hell hole. both factions are caked with ridiculously undergeared players, most of whom don't have a clue about strat.

Yes, PVP is bad. That's why I made a guide.