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PvE Power Relics don't stack with PvE Direct Damage relics


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This must just be PVE because my conqueror SA and conqueror of dark radiance stack i know that for sure tested it many times

 

Yes, this is just PvE. One of the parses in the original post is a parse with two PvP relics that stack just fine.

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Parsed on Carnage Marauder. Arkanian Relic of Dark Radiance + Underworld Relic of Serendipitious Assault. The longest period between power procs I noticed was over 1 minute(!).

 

 

02:30:24.983 Myraine gains Power Surge.

02:30:24.985 Myraine gains Execute.

02:30:24.994 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 434 energy damage, causing 434 threat.

02:30:25.090 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 856* energy damage, causing 856 threat!

02:30:25.140 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:25.140 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:25.141 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:25.337 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Massacre, causing 1 threat.

02:30:25.748 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1470 energy damage, causing 1470 threat.

02:30:26.271 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 507 energy damage, causing 507 threat.

02:30:26.336 Myraine activates Rupture.

02:30:26.336 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:30:26.336 Myraine's Rupture adds effect Bleeding (Physical) to Operations Training Dummy.

02:30:26.338 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Massacre, causing 1 threat.

02:30:26.937 Myraine's Rupture hits Operations Training Dummy for 634 energy damage, causing 634 threat.

02:30:26.962 Myraine's Rupture critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 186* energy damage, causing 186 threat!

02:30:27.344 Myraine's Massacre misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:27.430 Myraine's Hungering heals Myraine for 327.

02:30:27.430 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 621* internal damage, causing 621 threat!

02:30:27.575 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 518 energy damage, causing 518 threat.

02:30:27.623 Myraine activates Dual Saber Throw.

02:30:28.230 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 3325* energy damage, causing 3325 threat!

02:30:28.230 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:28.432 Myraine's Hungering heals Myraine for 327.

02:30:28.433 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 621* internal damage, causing 621 threat!

02:30:29.375 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 855* energy damage, causing 855 threat!

02:30:29.445 Myraine's Hungering heals Myraine for 327.

02:30:29.446 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 621* internal damage, causing 621 threat!

02:30:29.446 Myraine activates Assault.

02:30:29.447 Myraine loses Berserk.

02:30:29.447 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 615* energy damage, causing 615 threat!

02:30:29.449 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:29.449 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:29.569 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 511* energy damage, causing 511 threat!

02:30:30.433 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 250 internal damage.

02:30:30.433 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 356 internal damage, causing 356 threat.

02:30:30.628 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:30:30.628 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:30:31.065 Myraine loses Power Surge.

02:30:31.100 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 467 energy damage, causing 467 threat.

02:30:31.132 Myraine loses Massacre.

02:30:31.210 Myraine's Battering Assault misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:31.341 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Assault, causing 1 threat.

02:30:31.341 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 323 energy damage, causing 323 threat.

02:30:31.416 Myraine's Battering Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 815* energy damage, causing 815 threat!

02:30:31.440 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:30:32.252 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:32.252 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:32.252 Myraine gains Fury.

02:30:32.253 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:32.254 Myraine gains Massacre.

02:30:32.428 Myraine's Hungering heals Myraine for 327.

02:30:32.429 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 573* internal damage, causing 573 threat!

02:30:32.429 Myraine's Rupture effect of Bleeding (Physical) fades from Operations Training Dummy.

02:30:33.044 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1349 energy damage, causing 1349 threat.

02:30:33.441 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 478 energy damage, causing 478 threat.

02:30:33.651 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 450 energy damage, causing 450 threat.

02:30:33.745 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:33.745 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:33.746 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:34.534 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2607* energy damage, causing 2607 threat!

02:30:35.139 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 466 energy damage, causing 466 threat.

02:30:35.344 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 283 energy damage, causing 283 threat.

02:30:35.480 Myraine activates Gore.

02:30:35.480 Myraine spends 1 rage point.

02:30:35.481 Myraine gains Gore.

02:30:35.565 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:30:35.565 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:30:35.649 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 868 energy damage, causing 868 threat.

02:30:35.649 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 159 energy damage, causing 159 threat.

02:30:35.757 Myraine loses Execute.

02:30:35.757 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:35.757 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 6872* kinetic damage, causing 6872 threat!

02:30:36.337 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Massacre, causing 1 threat.

02:30:36.552 Myraine's Dark Spike critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 436* internal damage!

02:30:36.753 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 726 energy damage, causing 726 threat.

02:30:37.183 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:37.183 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:37.184 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:37.185 Myraine loses Weaponmaster.

02:30:37.962 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1975 energy damage, causing 1975 threat.

02:30:38.585 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 691 energy damage, causing 691 threat.

02:30:38.666 Myraine activates Assault.

02:30:38.667 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 446 energy damage, causing 446 threat.

02:30:38.668 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:38.668 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:39.116 Myraine's Assault misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:39.350 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Massacre, causing 1 threat.

02:30:39.891 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 719 energy damage, causing 719 threat.

02:30:40.108 Myraine loses Gore.

02:30:40.197 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:40.198 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:40.198 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:40.997 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1339 energy damage, causing 1339 threat.

02:30:41.216 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 241 internal damage.

02:30:41.216 Myraine gains Execute.

02:30:41.341 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 796* energy damage, causing 796 threat!

02:30:41.341 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 500 energy damage, causing 500 threat.

02:30:41.397 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 811* energy damage, causing 811 threat!

02:30:41.602 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 420 energy damage, causing 420 threat.

02:30:41.911 Myraine activates Ravage.

02:30:41.911 Myraine gains Unshakable.

02:30:42.312 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 1497 energy damage, causing 1497 threat.

02:30:42.313 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 239 energy damage, causing 239 threat.

02:30:42.347 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 277 energy damage, causing 277 threat.

02:30:42.709 Myraine's Ravage critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2404* energy damage, causing 2404 threat!

02:30:42.709 Myraine's Ravage misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:44.892 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 2874 energy damage, causing 2874 threat.

02:30:44.892 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 861 energy damage, causing 861 threat.

02:30:44.969 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 806* energy damage, causing 806 threat!

02:30:45.045 Myraine loses Unshakable.

02:30:45.177 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:30:45.178 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:30:45.554 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 424 energy damage, causing 424 threat.

02:30:45.663 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 174 energy damage, causing 174 threat.

02:30:45.866 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 423 energy damage, causing 423 threat.

02:30:46.241 Myraine gains Slaughter.

02:30:46.243 Myraine loses Massacre.

02:30:46.480 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 458 energy damage, causing 458 threat.

02:30:46.747 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:46.747 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:46.748 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:46.749 Myraine's Dark Spike critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 419* internal damage!

02:30:46.750 Myraine gains Massacre.

02:30:47.530 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1230 energy damage, causing 1230 threat.

02:30:48.143 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 441 energy damage, causing 441 threat.

02:30:48.358 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:48.358 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:48.360 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:49.151 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1263 energy damage, causing 1263 threat.

02:30:49.351 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 210 energy damage, causing 210 threat.

02:30:49.545 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 464 energy damage, causing 464 threat.

02:30:49.748 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 451 energy damage, causing 451 threat.

02:30:50.236 Myraine activates Assault.

02:30:50.237 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 325 energy damage, causing 325 threat.

02:30:50.238 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:50.238 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:50.569 Myraine's Assault misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:51.342 Myraine's Massacre misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:51.465 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 462 energy damage, causing 462 threat.

02:30:51.764 Myraine activates Assault.

02:30:51.764 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 284 energy damage, causing 284 threat.

02:30:51.765 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 241 internal damage.

02:30:51.767 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:51.767 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:52.350 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 300 energy damage, causing 300 threat.

02:30:52.351 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 310 energy damage, causing 310 threat.

02:30:52.690 Myraine activates Gore.

02:30:52.690 Myraine spends 1 rage point.

02:30:52.693 Myraine gains Gore.

02:30:53.135 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 795 energy damage, causing 795 threat.

02:30:53.135 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Gore, causing 1 threat.

02:30:53.271 Myraine activates Vicious Throw.

02:30:53.273 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:53.283 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 689 energy damage, causing 689 threat.

02:30:53.874 Myraine loses Slaughter.

02:30:53.874 Myraine's Vicious Throw hits Operations Training Dummy for 4096 energy damage, causing 4096 threat.

02:30:54.351 Myraine's Assault misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:30:54.352 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Assault, causing 1 threat.

02:30:54.352 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 297 energy damage, causing 297 threat.

02:30:54.435 Myraine loses Massacre.

02:30:54.836 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:30:54.836 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:30:54.928 Myraine loses Execute.

02:30:54.928 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:55.152 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 6567* kinetic damage, causing 6567 threat!

02:30:55.291 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 675 energy damage, causing 675 threat.

02:30:56.358 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:30:56.358 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:30:56.360 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:30:56.361 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 241 internal damage.

02:30:56.362 Myraine gains Massacre.

02:30:57.147 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1926 energy damage, causing 1926 threat.

02:30:57.269 Myraine loses Gore.

02:30:57.468 Myraine gains Execute.

02:30:57.551 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 778* energy damage, causing 778 threat!

02:30:57.755 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 435 energy damage, causing 435 threat.

02:30:57.957 Myraine activates Dual Saber Throw.

02:30:58.483 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw hits Operations Training Dummy for 1762 energy damage, causing 1762 threat.

02:30:58.483 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw hits Operations Training Dummy for 322 energy damage, causing 322 threat.

02:30:59.347 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 362 energy damage, causing 362 threat.

02:30:59.504 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:30:59.505 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:31:00.125 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 407 energy damage, causing 407 threat.

02:31:00.237 Myraine's Battering Assault misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:31:00.442 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 420 energy damage, causing 420 threat.

02:31:00.721 Myraine activates Berserk.

02:31:00.721 Myraine gains Weaponmaster.

02:31:00.722 Myraine loses Fury.

02:31:00.722 Myraine gains Berserk.

02:31:00.723 Myraine activates Cloak of Pain.

02:31:00.723 Myraine gains Cloak of Pain.

02:31:00.844 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 416 energy damage, causing 416 threat.

02:31:01.189 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:01.189 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:01.189 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:01.796 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1330 energy damage, causing 1330 threat.

02:31:02.176 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 250 internal damage.

02:31:02.183 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 780* energy damage, causing 780 threat!

02:31:02.321 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 429 energy damage, causing 429 threat.

02:31:02.378 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:02.378 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:02.378 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:02.992 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2778* energy damage, causing 2778 threat!

02:31:03.347 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 444* energy damage, causing 444 threat!

02:31:03.568 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 457 energy damage, causing 457 threat.

02:31:03.612 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:03.612 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:03.612 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:04.215 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2716* energy damage, causing 2716 threat!

02:31:04.349 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 234 energy damage, causing 234 threat.

02:31:04.635 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 435 energy damage, causing 435 threat.

02:31:04.785 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 471 energy damage, causing 471 threat.

02:31:04.837 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:31:04.837 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:31:04.928 Myraine loses Execute.

02:31:04.928 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:05.071 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 4484* kinetic damage, causing 4484 threat!

02:31:06.032 Myraine activates Assault.

02:31:06.033 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 313 energy damage, causing 313 threat.

02:31:06.034 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:06.034 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:06.132 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 276 energy damage, causing 276 threat.

02:31:06.358 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 210 energy damage, causing 210 threat.

02:31:06.639 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 544* energy damage, causing 544 threat!

02:31:06.837 Myraine loses Cloak of Pain.

02:31:07.030 Myraine gains Execute.

02:31:07.031 Myraine gains Slaughter.

02:31:07.186 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 433 energy damage, causing 433 threat.

02:31:07.270 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:07.270 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:07.270 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:07.271 Myraine loses Berserk.

02:31:07.272 Myraine's Dark Spike critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 436* internal damage!

02:31:07.273 Myraine activates Gore.

02:31:07.273 Myraine spends 1 rage point.

02:31:07.273 Myraine gains Fury.

02:31:07.274 Myraine gains Gore.

02:31:08.027 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1301 energy damage, causing 1301 threat.

02:31:08.349 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 327 energy damage, causing 327 threat.

02:31:08.533 Myraine activates Vicious Throw.

02:31:08.533 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:08.541 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 848 energy damage, causing 848 threat.

02:31:08.542 Myraine's Gore misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:31:08.543 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 696 energy damage, causing 696 threat.

02:31:09.143 Myraine loses Slaughter.

02:31:09.143 Myraine's Vicious Throw hits Operations Training Dummy for 4377 energy damage, causing 4377 threat.

02:31:10.139 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:10.139 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:10.139 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:10.343 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 212 energy damage, causing 212 threat.

02:31:10.929 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 2152 energy damage, causing 2152 threat.

02:31:11.537 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 725 energy damage, causing 725 threat.

02:31:11.743 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:31:11.744 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:31:11.859 Myraine loses Gore.

02:31:12.351 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 728* energy damage, causing 728 threat!

02:31:12.356 Myraine's Battering Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 1164* energy damage, causing 1164 threat!

02:31:12.473 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 282 energy damage, causing 282 threat.

02:31:12.677 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 669 energy damage, causing 669 threat.

02:31:12.733 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 250 internal damage.

02:31:13.246 Myraine activates Ravage.

02:31:13.246 Myraine gains Unshakable.

02:31:13.251 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 439 energy damage, causing 439 threat.

02:31:13.634 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 1499 energy damage, causing 1499 threat.

02:31:13.634 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 254 energy damage, causing 254 threat.

02:31:13.945 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 1549 energy damage, causing 1549 threat.

02:31:13.946 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 257 energy damage, causing 257 threat.

02:31:15.859 Myraine loses Weaponmaster.

02:31:16.143 Myraine's Ravage critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 4995* energy damage, causing 4995 threat!

02:31:16.144 Myraine's Ravage hits Operations Training Dummy for 923 energy damage, causing 923 threat.

02:31:16.144 Myraine loses Massacre.

02:31:16.247 Myraine loses Unshakable.

02:31:16.255 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 436 energy damage, causing 436 threat.

02:31:16.554 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:16.554 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:16.554 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:16.555 Myraine gains Massacre.

02:31:17.340 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2540* energy damage, causing 2540 threat!

02:31:17.667 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 241 internal damage.

02:31:17.748 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 437 energy damage, causing 437 threat.

02:31:17.958 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 418 energy damage, causing 418 threat.

02:31:18.248 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:31:18.248 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:31:18.448 Myraine loses Execute.

02:31:18.449 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:18.449 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 4251* kinetic damage, causing 4251 threat!

02:31:19.348 Myraine's Massacre misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:31:19.798 Myraine activates Dual Saber Throw.

02:31:20.429 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2921* energy damage, causing 2921 threat!

02:31:20.429 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 640* energy damage, causing 640 threat!

02:31:21.355 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:21.355 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:21.355 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:22.139 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1317 energy damage, causing 1317 threat.

02:31:22.394 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 241 internal damage.

02:31:22.549 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 436 energy damage, causing 436 threat.

02:31:22.754 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 814* energy damage, causing 814 threat!

02:31:23.279 Myraine activates Assault.

02:31:23.279 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Assault, causing 1 threat.

02:31:23.281 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:23.281 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:23.837 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 261 energy damage, causing 261 threat.

02:31:24.348 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 253 energy damage, causing 253 threat.

02:31:24.492 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 567* energy damage, causing 567 threat!

02:31:24.942 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 774* energy damage, causing 774 threat!

02:31:25.037 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:31:25.038 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:31:25.650 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 424 energy damage, causing 424 threat.

02:31:25.765 Myraine's Battering Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 366* energy damage, causing 366 threat!

02:31:25.972 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 408 energy damage, causing 408 threat.

02:31:26.239 Myraine activates Gore.

02:31:26.239 Myraine spends 1 rage point.

02:31:26.240 Myraine gains Gore.

02:31:26.353 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 287 energy damage, causing 287 threat.

02:31:26.367 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 462 energy damage, causing 462 threat.

02:31:26.522 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:26.522 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:26.524 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:26.530 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 857 energy damage, causing 857 threat.

02:31:26.530 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 141 energy damage, causing 141 threat.

02:31:27.323 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1937 energy damage, causing 1937 threat.

02:31:27.536 Myraine gains Slaughter.

02:31:27.853 Myraine activates Berserk.

02:31:27.853 Myraine gains Weaponmaster.

02:31:27.854 Myraine loses Fury.

02:31:27.854 Myraine gains Berserk.

02:31:27.932 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 689 energy damage, causing 689 threat.

02:31:28.024 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:28.024 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:28.025 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:28.026 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 250 internal damage.

02:31:28.636 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 2124 energy damage, causing 2124 threat.

02:31:29.132 Myraine gains Execute.

02:31:29.139 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 685 energy damage, causing 685 threat.

02:31:29.285 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 687 energy damage, causing 687 threat.

02:31:29.327 Myraine activates Vicious Throw.

02:31:29.327 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:29.345 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 349 energy damage, causing 349 threat.

02:31:29.821 Myraine loses Slaughter.

02:31:29.821 Myraine's Vicious Throw critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 7575* energy damage, causing 7575 threat!

02:31:30.351 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 448 energy damage, causing 448 threat.

02:31:30.523 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:30.523 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:30.523 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:31.042 Myraine loses Gore.

02:31:31.125 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 1973 energy damage, causing 1973 threat.

02:31:31.594 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 465 energy damage, causing 465 threat.

02:31:31.742 Myraine activates Gore.

02:31:31.742 Myraine spends 1 rage point.

02:31:31.742 Myraine gains Gore.

02:31:31.746 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 807* energy damage, causing 807 threat!

02:31:31.924 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:31:31.924 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:31:32.066 Myraine's Gore hits Operations Training Dummy for 860 energy damage, causing 860 threat.

02:31:32.066 Myraine's Gore misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:31:32.135 Myraine loses Execute.

02:31:32.135 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:32.261 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 6991* kinetic damage, causing 6991 threat!

02:31:32.346 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 337 energy damage, causing 337 threat.

02:31:33.234 Myraine activates Assault.

02:31:33.235 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 518 energy damage, causing 518 threat.

02:31:33.236 Myraine's Dark Spike hits Operations Training Dummy for 250 internal damage.

02:31:33.237 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:33.237 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:33.659 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 746* energy damage, causing 746 threat!

02:31:34.163 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 833* energy damage, causing 833 threat!

02:31:34.459 Myraine activates Rupture.

02:31:34.459 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:31:34.459 Myraine loses Berserk.

02:31:34.460 Myraine's Rupture adds effect Bleeding (Physical) to Operations Training Dummy.

02:31:34.466 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 1168* energy damage, causing 1168 threat!

02:31:35.239 Myraine's Rupture critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 1521* energy damage, causing 1521 threat!

02:31:35.272 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Rupture, causing 1 threat.

02:31:35.343 Myraine's Assault critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 804* energy damage, causing 804 threat!

02:31:35.536 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:31:36.241 Myraine activates Assault.

02:31:36.242 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 482 energy damage, causing 482 threat.

02:31:36.243 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:36.243 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:36.356 Myraine loses Gore.

02:31:36.442 Myraine's Hungering heals Myraine for 327.

02:31:36.442 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 573* internal damage, causing 573 threat!

02:31:36.537 Myraine loses Massacre.

02:31:36.596 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 491 energy damage, causing 491 threat.

02:31:37.272 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 455 energy damage, causing 455 threat.

02:31:37.399 Myraine gains Execute.

02:31:37.401 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:31:37.568 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 820* energy damage, causing 820 threat!

02:31:37.807 Myraine activates Battering Assault.

02:31:37.808 Myraine's Dark Spike critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 436* internal damage!

02:31:37.809 Myraine gains 6 rage point.

02:31:38.417 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 422 energy damage, causing 422 threat.

02:31:38.460 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:31:38.531 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 162 energy damage, causing 162 threat.

02:31:38.663 Myraine activates Frenzy.

02:31:38.663 Myraine gains Fury.

02:31:38.742 Myraine's Battering Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 438 energy damage, causing 438 threat.

02:31:38.887 Myraine activates Berserk.

02:31:38.888 Myraine loses Fury.

02:31:38.888 Myraine gains Berserk.

02:31:39.142 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 439 energy damage, causing 439 threat.

02:31:39.342 Myraine's Assault hits Operations Training Dummy for 447 energy damage, causing 447 threat.

02:31:39.379 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:39.379 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:39.379 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:39.380 Myraine gains Massacre.

02:31:39.464 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:31:39.985 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2636* energy damage, causing 2636 threat!

02:31:40.490 Myraine's Bleeding (Physical) hits Operations Training Dummy for 329 internal damage, causing 329 threat.

02:31:40.491 Myraine's Rupture effect of Bleeding (Physical) fades from Operations Training Dummy.

02:31:40.495 Myraine's Ataru Form hits Operations Training Dummy for 447 energy damage, causing 447 threat.

02:31:40.590 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:40.590 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:40.590 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:40.595 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 755* energy damage, causing 755 threat!

02:31:41.209 Myraine's Massacre critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 2823* energy damage, causing 2823 threat!

02:31:41.347 Operations Training Dummy dodges Myraine's Massacre, causing 1 threat.

02:31:41.836 Myraine activates Force Scream.

02:31:41.837 Myraine spends 2 rage point.

02:31:41.842 Myraine's Ataru Form critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 750* energy damage, causing 750 threat!

02:31:41.922 Myraine loses Execute.

02:31:41.922 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:42.064 Myraine's Force Scream critically hits Operations Training Dummy for 4438* kinetic damage, causing 4438 threat!

02:31:42.350 Myraine's Massacre hits Operations Training Dummy for 277 energy damage, causing 277 threat.

02:31:43.092 Myraine activates Dual Saber Throw.

02:31:43.682 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw hits Operations Training Dummy for 1875 energy damage, causing 1875 threat.

02:31:43.682 Myraine's Dual Saber Throw misses Operations Training Dummy, causing 1 threat.

02:31:44.304 Myraine activates Massacre.

02:31:44.305 Myraine spends 3 rage point.

02:31:44.305 Myraine gains 1 rage point.

02:31:44.305 Myraine gains Power Surge.

 

 

See full log here http://www.torparse.com/a/276445/2/0/Log

Other fight details are as follows: first fight - Arkanian DR + War Hero (113pwr)

Second and third : Arkanian DR + UW SA

Last: UV DR + WH (113pwr)

No main stat buff, no stims, no adrenals. Berserk used.

 

I highly doubt that this was the intended behavior. Like, every 20 or so secs or 1 minute in between, feel the difference? And that was intended?

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I highly doubt that this was the intended behavior. Like, every 20 or so secs or 1 minute in between, feel the difference? And that was intended?

 

The PvP relics will stack while the PvE one's do not? When 2.0 dropped the PvP Conqueror Serendipitous Assault could stack with the Partisan Serendipitous Assault until it was fixed in patch 2.1. Oddly enough the PvP SE and DR relics DO stack but the PvE one's do not. Sorry, I'm just not buying this at all. This is either poor design, the dev's not understanding what is going on (despite clear documentation by others in this thread) or a typical " we screwed up and this is our defacto statement" stance.

 

The fact that the PvP SA and DR buffs still stack means they messed up the PvE relics.

 

BW, take responsibility for your error and fix this. NiMTfB and NiMS&V are coming and I do not want to hamstring my guild by using broken relics that I have acquired through months of raiding. :mad:

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And with comments like yours its no wonder people get sick of elitists like you.

 

It's actually a Canderous Ordo quote... I can't say I didn't expect you to shift to insults when your argument failed... most do. Humorously predictable. Anyways...

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It's actually a Canderous Ordo quote... I can't say I didn't expect you to shift to insults when your argument failed... most do. Humorously predictable. Anyways...

 

I didn't argue with anyone, you spewed the insults and rhetoric, not me. So I assume that means since you think you "won" an "argument", something that never existed frankly, you should insult and demean others? How mature of you. Enjoy having quality relationships like that. So nice to see you cant have a simple discussion, not argument, without insulting other people and demeaning them for no reason at all. Why must everything be an argument and insultfest with people like you? People like you are what ruins half of gaming. Your attitude is not welcome.

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I didn't argue with anyone, you spewed the insults and rhetoric, not me. So I assume that means since you think you "won" an "argument", something that never existed frankly, you should insult and demean others? How mature of you. Enjoy having quality relationships like that. So nice to see you cant have a simple discussion, not argument, without insulting other people and demeaning them for no reason at all. Why must everything be an argument and insultfest with people like you? People like you are what ruins half of gaming. Your attitude is not welcome.

 

Yeah, totally. Not like calling someone an elitest based solely on the fact that you were wrong and they were right provokes an argument or anything... actions have consequences. I'm sorry no one's told you that until now. Grow up. You were wrong. Get over it and get on with life...

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Yeah, totally. Not like calling someone an elitest based solely on the fact that you were wrong and they were right provokes an argument or anything... actions have consequences. I'm sorry no one's told you that until now. Grow up. You were wrong. Get over it and get on with life...

 

I was not arguing and I was not wrong. Your attitude is elitist. Your proving it more and more with each post. Enjoy.

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While I appreciate the thread bumping, please keep your posts on topic. The bickering about how people play, how they act, or how they bicker is not helping the players or devs understand the issue at hand.

 

That said, if there is disagreement on which relics are best, I can re-run and post the mathematics tonight when I am off work. If I'm not mistaken, that is what led into the thread-derailing argument in the first place, but it is relevant to the issue at hand because if Boundless Ages relics have a higher expected output than Direct Damage relics, the entire issue is a moot point.

 

I'll post those numbers later tonight.

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Here is my mathematical comparison of expected damage from all current endgame PvE relics. Take note that this is for comparison between relics only and is not entirely reflective of the actual damage that each relic will produce:

 

Kell Dragon Relic of Serendipitous Assault

On Hit: Healing an ally or performing a damaging attack on an enemy both have a 30% chance to grant 595 Power for 6 seconds. This effect can only occur once every 20 seconds, and shares this limit with similar healing or damaging effects. It will not trigger inside of PvP areas.

 

Let's imagine a series of ten attacks that are eligible for the power proc, ignoring the cooldown. We expect 3 of these ten attacks to be procs, while the rest are just regular attacks without proc. Our attack string total is ten, but we add 13 on the tail end of each expected proc, since that is the number of attacks that will happen in the cooldown phase. This gives us a total of 49 attacks, and the proc effect will be up for 12 of those attacks.

 

This gives us 595x(12/49) = 145.71 power per attack.

Power converts to bonus damage at a rate of Power*.23. 145.71*.23=33.514

Further, expected damage converts to actual damage at a rate determined by the player. This varies depending on the player, class, and rotation, but for the sake of these calculations, I'll use my conversion rate which is 1.7. (I get this number by calculating my expected DPS, taking into account Primary and Secondary damage, Primary and Secondary accuracy, Crit Chance, Surge, and global cooldown, and then running a series of long parses without relics at all, then dividing the difference. Pre-2.0 I could get this multiplier to 2, multiplier may be different for each player. Above 1.8, Serendipitous Assault becomes better than External damage relics)

So to bring that all together, the expected damage per attack becomes represented by 33.514*1.7 = 56.974

Kell Dragon Relic of Boundless Ages

On Use: Increases Power by 460 for 30 seconds. Can not be activated in PvP areas.

 

This is a much easier calculation. The power effect is up for 30 seconds out of 2 minutes, or 1/4 of the time if used on cooldown.

 

(460/4)*.23*1.7 = 44.965

Kell Dragon Relic of the Cerulean Nova / Kell Dragon Relic of the Kinetic Tempest

On Hit: Damaging attacks have a 30% chance to deal 382 additional kinetic/energy Force/Tech damage to the target. This effect can only occur once every 4.5 seconds, and shares this limit with similar damage-dealing effects. It will not trigger inside of PvP areas.

 

This will be a similar calculation to the Serendipitous Assault. We expect 3 procs every ten attacks with a 3-attack CD after each proc, giving us 3 procs expected in 19 attacks. That yields 382*(3/19) = 60.315

 

This number is not affected by the expected to actual conversion rate since the final number is straight up damage, not power that will then be converted to damage by ability coefficients.

 

Elite War Hero Relic of Boundless Ages

 

Easy calculation here. 120 power, static stat, no effect.

120*.23*1.7 = 46.92

HOWEVER!!!

Keep in mind that all of the other relics have a base 36 power, which means the numbers for all other relics should be increased by 36*.23, or 8.28 for comparison against this relic. Adding this detail puts the EWH BA relic in dead last.

 

Kell Dragon Relic of Dark Radiance / Kell Dragon Relic of Elemental Transcendence

On Hit: Damaging attacks have a 30% chance to deal 287 additional elemental/internal Force/Tech damage to the target. This effect can only occur once every 4.5 seconds, and shares this limit with similar damage-dealing effects. It will not trigger inside of PvP areas.

 

Because these relics bypass armor, we will have to compare to the other relics at different armor break levels to see when they are more useful than the others. Damage reduction from armor is calculated as ArmorRating / ( ArmorRating + 240 * Level + 800 ) * 100, and ops bosses have 7539 armor (as calculated from a 35% base damage reduction from armor).

 

At any armor level, this relic deals an expected damage of 287*3/19 = 45.315

 

At 100% enemy armor (0% armor break, 35% damage reduction):

Power Proc: 56.974 * .65 = 37.03

Power Click: 44.965 * .65 = 29.227

External Proc: 60.315 * .65 = 39.20

 

At 65% enemy armor (35% armor break, 26% damage reduction)

Power Proc: 56.974 * .74 = 42.16

Power Click: 44.965 * .74 = 33.27

External Proc: 60.315 * .74 = 44.63

 

At 50% enemy armor (50% armor break, 21.2% damage reduction)

Power Proc: 56.974 * .788 = 44.89

Power Click: 44.965 * .788 = 35.43

External Proc: 60.315 * .788 = 47.52

 

This means that passing 35% armor penetration, the external proc relic approaches surpassing the internal.

 

What this means:

The Boundless Ages relics are way behind on expected damage compared to the proc relics. Serendipitous Assault aside, picking the right proc relic depends greatly on your class. Classes with 35% or more average armor penetration, like Arsenal Mercenary or Combat Sentinel, would do best to take an energy/kinetic damage proc, while classes with less than 35% armor penetration are better served with an internal/elemental proc relic, the final choice coming down to whether your class uses force or tech attacks. Exceptions can of course be made if you know that your group will always have a sufficient armor break on the boss, but such a factor is not always guaranteed, and it will not help in damage against adds or solo fights. Classes that use mostly cast abilities and may not fire off attacks as rapidly (Marksman Sniper or Telekinesis Sage) may do better with the Boundless Ages clicky relic since their slower rate of attack may reduce the number of expected relic procs. Boundless Ages clicky relic can also be used by any class that needs to focus more damage into a boss burn phase, a heavily phased boss in general, or smaller, shorter fights.

 

Also, even though the numbers for Serendipitous Assault come out lower than direct damage relics, rapid attacks like those used by DoT classes (Annihilation Marauder/Watchman Sentinel) increase the relic's value due to the number of attacks that are affected when the proc is active. Rapid attacks classes will benefit more from a Serendipitous Assault relic than direct damage, at least until the non-stack issue is fixed.

 

But either way, this is my mathematical proof that Direct Damage and Serendipitous Assault proc relics are the two most effective relics for a good number of DPS classes, and why being unable to stack them is reducing our potential. Please feel free to contest my findings or provide your own. I would rather be wrong and corrected than wrong and unquestioned.

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bump for great justice. Would appreciate an update on this issue. My relics yearn to be used to their max capabilities

 

I certainly hear that. When we wipe on a boss with 2 or 3% left, my mind comes right back to this issue. The only thing we have heard is BW's response that the relics are working as intended, though I (and multiple others) do not believe they fully understand the issue. Something may have been lost in communication. The one glimmer of hope they left us with is that, even though the relics are supposedly working as intended, they are considering revisiting how the relics interact with each other in a future update.

 

I still consider the issue relevant and appreciate the thread remaining active to keep the issue in front of the devs and players.

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Look. This issue has gone on a little too long without an update. Direct Damage relics are better than power use relics, pretty sure this has been proven. So you're telling me that you think your 'working as intended' flat-out lie is going to make the community happy, after you tell them you're keeping every single DPS in the game from BiS? Nice joke. Fix it, and fix it now.
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It is clearly not an issue they want to pursue at the moment, hence no changes in the latest patch, but I would like to bump this thread up and draw the devs' attention to it once again.

2EricMusco

It has to be resolved one way or another. If you still stick to your stand that this is intended behaviour - consider changing the tooltips as you did for the pvp power proc relics at least, since the current description of the relics is misguiding. By doing so you would put an end to this once and for all, if that behaviour was indeed intended. And if it wasn't, please, give us some kind of an update on how/when you are going to fix it.

I'm sure I'm not taking too much on myself by saying that every single person that has posted in this thread and most of those who read it would just like to know how things are going and what you think about it.

 

P. S. I want to make things clear here - I am confident that this is a bug, these relics have totally different effects and there's no way on this earth they could prevent one another from proccing if you follow the logic, any sentient being in this universe will tell you so.

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Bump. Any software developer would see this thread and laugh at the joke that is BW as of late. Bugs apon bugs apon bugs even after the game as been out this long. But wait we have a new peice of armor for you in the cartel market every freakin week! Seriously they need to get their prioritys straight if they want this game to last.
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Well this is fixed in patch 2.3 according to the patch notes. So thanks for that. Kinda sucks that I have been passing on relics because in this very thread, it was stated that it was "working as intended", so there was no point to rolling on them. Not so great communication guys.
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This thread has some really interesting info in it, thanks for all the hard work!

 

With this information in hand I went to the combat team to talk to them about it. What they told me is that right now, the relics are working as intended. However, we are going to be revisiting the design of these relics with a possibility of changing the way they interact in a future Game Update.

 

I hope that helps!

 

-eric

 

•Arkanian, Underworld and Kell Dragon Proc Relics will no longer prevent other Arkanian, Underworld and Kell Dragon Procs of a different type from activating. For example, characters can now have both a Power proc relic and a damage proc relic equipped and expect them both to activate correctly.

 

Guess it wasn't working as intended... Thanks for the fix guys!!:D

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I'm delighted that this has made it to the PTS, but I can't resist pointing out that PTS changes are not guaranteed to make it to live.

 

Well this one had better, or I'll go back to bumping this thread.

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