Dev Post EricMusco Posted April 5, 2018 Dev Post Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Hey folks, Marauders /Sentinels are the only Classes in 5.9 that are receiving slightly different changes than the other Classes this patch so I wanted to call them out separately. Here are the changes: Maurader The Ruthless Aggressor utility has been changed so that activating Obfuscate temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Fury Reduced the damage done by Bloody Slashes by 18.5% Sentinel The Zealous Judgment utility has been changed so that activating Pacify temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Concentration Reduced the damage done by Burning Slices by 18.5% We are making two changes. First, following last year's balance pass, these Classes are still slightly overperforming. The change to Bloody Slashes / Burning Slices is looking to address this. The second change is more of a functionality change. Ruthless Aggressor / Zealous Judgment would create a situation where there was very little counterplay against a Marauder / Sentinel during the effect of Obfuscate / Pacify. Since it created a chance to resist effects, it meant damage and crowd control were inconsistent against them. The change we are making is that instead of a 75% chance to miss, it adds 75% damage reduction. Now, a Marauder or Sentinel can be crowd controlled during the effect, but it will still allow them to take greatly reduced damage. Thanks everyone! -eric Edited April 5, 2018 by EricMusco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewlmenow Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Poor underperforming madness didn't get a damage buff? Rip them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuvonDrake Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Quite reasonable change overall will be interesting to see how this affects Furys damage dealing capabilities compared to Annihilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellhog Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Not surprised Fury got nerfed, still can't believe though that Rage hasn't been buffed given that it parses so much lower than Fury and still will after this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec_Fortescue Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Lmao, 75% damage reduction for 6 seconds is just as overpowered as 75% of cc immunity and resistance to yellow damage for 6 seconds xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdjeYo Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Lmao, 75% damage reduction for 6 seconds is just as overpowered as 75% of cc immunity and resistance to yellow damage for 6 seconds xd It's significantly weaker now, sure they'll take a lot less damage from force/tech during ruthless aggressor, but at least you can stun them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Lmao, 75% damage reduction for 6 seconds is just as overpowered as 75% of cc immunity and resistance to yellow damage for 6 seconds xd It's a sideways move. It still has a baseline of crippling a targets white damage for 6s But 75% resist to 75% damage reduction vs yellow is trading RNG BS for a powerful guaranteed effect. It's still just as powerful as before but differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTrooperElite Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Why not just give Burning Slices back to Combat since you wrecked it. It's a solid 1k behind Concentration on a dummy though less so in actual fights. I just can't understand how you think that class is balanced now. Last time i checked mara/sent wasn't even top dog, plasmatech was but yet again with the nerf bat. Getting real tired of farming mats to make new fancy augments just so that I can get back the dps you keep taking away. This is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimaterz Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Bloody Slashes wasn't worth anything to begin with anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadecounty Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 It's a sideways move. It still has a baseline of crippling a targets white damage for 6s But 75% resist to 75% damage reduction vs yellow is trading RNG BS for a powerful guaranteed effect. It's still just as powerful as before but differently. Well not really, as someone said now it does nothing to all forms of CC and kb's whereas before it made you likely to resist them. That's an extremely powerful effect, gone. In terms of DR, you trade RNG for consistency. In terms of CC immunity, you trade a good chance at it for nothing. Quite a big loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTrooperElite Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Bloody Slashes wasn't worth anything to begin with anyway. Burning slices accounts for about somewhere around 4.5% - 5% of the overall damage in a 1.5m dummy parse. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setokai Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Hey folks, Marauders /Sentinels are the only Classes in 5.9 that are receiving slightly different changes than the other Classes this patch so I wanted to call them out separately. Here are the changes: Maurader The Ruthless Aggressor utility has been changed so that activating Obfuscate temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Fury Reduced the damage done by Bloody Slashes by 18.5% Sentinel The Zealous Judgment utility has been changed so that activating Pacify temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Concentration Reduced the damage done by Burning Slices by 18.5% We are making two changes. First, following last year's balance pass, these Classes are still slightly overperforming. The change to Bloody Slashes / Burning Slices is looking to address this. The second change is more of a functionality change. Ruthless Aggressor / Zealous Judgment would create a situation where there was very little counterplay against a Marauder / Sentinel during the effect of Obfuscate / Pacify. Since it created a chance to resist effects, it meant damage and crowd control were inconsistent against them. The change we are making is that instead of a 75% chance to miss, it adds 75% damage reduction. Now, a Marauder or Sentinel can be crowd controlled during the effect, but it will still allow them to take greatly reduced damage. Thanks everyone! -eric Just curious, are there any changes being made to carnage and its mirror or is that spec performing within a reasonable level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memerobot Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Just curious, are there any changes being made to carnage and its mirror or is that spec performing within a reasonable level? It's broken as hell, specially PvP. Carnage is just straight horrible to level with. Fury is much more friendly for the starters and thing is, they stick with it. In PvP, you get constant stun immunity and auto crits that actually deal significant damage and honestly, the skill gap on this spec is just significantly lower. Everyone can just spend 5 minutes and know what the "rotation" intended was. The only nerfs I'd like to see would be removing the retard stun immunity and perhaps change the auto crit for increased 15% damage on the same abilities. They plainly nerfed every spec and left Fury basically untouched :\ Edited April 6, 2018 by memerobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omaan Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 Hey folks, Marauders /Sentinels are the only Classes in 5.9 that are receiving slightly different changes than the other Classes this patch so I wanted to call them out separately. Here are the changes: Maurader The Ruthless Aggressor utility has been changed so that activating Obfuscate temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Fury Reduced the damage done by Bloody Slashes by 18.5% Sentinel The Zealous Judgment utility has been changed so that activating Pacify temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Concentration Reduced the damage done by Burning Slices by 18.5% We are making two changes. First, following last year's balance pass, these Classes are still slightly overperforming. The change to Bloody Slashes / Burning Slices is looking to address this. The second change is more of a functionality change. Ruthless Aggressor / Zealous Judgment would create a situation where there was very little counterplay against a Marauder / Sentinel during the effect of Obfuscate / Pacify. Since it created a chance to resist effects, it meant damage and crowd control were inconsistent against them. The change we are making is that instead of a 75% chance to miss, it adds 75% damage reduction. Now, a Marauder or Sentinel can be crowd controlled during the effect, but it will still allow them to take greatly reduced damage. Thanks everyone! -eric In previous class balance you said that maras underperform so u buffed bloody slashes damage. Now you say it overperforms, and that you nerf bloody slashes. You contradict yourself guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAtkinson Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 It's broken as hell, specially PvP. Carnage is just straight horrible to level with. Fury is much more friendly for the starters and thing is, they stick with it. In PvP, you get constant stun immunity and auto crits that actually deal significant damage and honestly, the skill gap on this spec is just significantly lower. Everyone can just spend 5 minutes and know what the "rotation" intended was. The only nerfs I'd like to see would be removing the retard stun immunity and perhaps change the auto crit for increased 15% damage on the same abilities. They plainly nerfed every spec and left Fury basically untouched :\ Mate, I main a fury marauder and returned to carnage after more than one year... It's so horrible. I can't do 3 hits in a row without getting smashed , stunned or pushed or whatever.... I can live with these changes to marauder. It won't make any significant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meddani Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 In previous class balance you said that maras underperform so u buffed bloody slashes damage. Now you say it overperforms, and that you nerf bloody slashes. You contradict yourself guys i literally thought the same, but back then they buffed bloody slashes for 35% ....they're basically cutting the buff in half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mournblood Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 The only nerfs I'd like to see would be removing the retard stun immunity and perhaps change the auto crit for increased 15% damage on the same abilities. They plainly nerfed every spec and left Fury basically untouched :\ Either I am completely misunderstanding your post, or you didn't read the patch notes. They are nerfing RA (Ruthless Aggressor) fairly hard. In case you don't already know how it works, RA is a utility that works in conjunction with Obfuscate. Effectively, it gives the Fury Marauder 6 seconds of CC immunity every 45 seconds. This is the basis for nearly every complaint about Fury Marauders. In 5.9, they are removing the 75% chance to miss (which is where the CC immunity came from), and are instead replacing it with 75% DR. While that might seem like a good tradeoff, without the CC immunity, for good players who know how to pay attention to buffs/debuffs, it will be fairly easy to just CC that Fury Marauder whenever they pop Obfuscate and just target swap for the duration until that 6 seconds of DR is gone, at which point they can happily resume killing that Fury Marauder. It's really no different than Mercenary/Commando reflect, where you stop attacking them while that's up. There are other abilities that mimic this design, so it's nothing new, but requires a little more player awareness. Similarly, the Fury Marauder player will need to use Obfuscate more judiciously (saving it for big hits), whereas before, you'd use Obfuscate nearly every time it was up. Without that CC immunity, Fury Maras will no longer be able to attack targets with impunity, and will be subject to the CC fest that characterizes PvP in this game. In summary, Fury was definitely nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidAtkinson Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 It's broken as hell, specially PvP. Carnage is just straight horrible to level with. Fury is much more friendly for the starters and thing is, they stick with it. In PvP, you get constant stun immunity and auto crits that actually deal significant damage and honestly, the skill gap on this spec is just significantly lower. Everyone can just spend 5 minutes and know what the "rotation" intended was. The only nerfs I'd like to see would be removing the retard stun immunity and perhaps change the auto crit for increased 15% damage on the same abilities. They plainly nerfed every spec and left Fury basically untouched :\ CC immunity is specific to fury.. Why you want to ruin a spec just because you can't counter it ? Let's remove CC immunity from PVP altogether and we are fair and square then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadecounty Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Either I am completely misunderstanding your post, or you didn't read the patch notes. They are nerfing RA (Ruthless Aggressor) fairly hard. In case you don't already know how it works, RA is a utility that works in conjunction with Obfuscate. Effectively, it gives the Fury Marauder 6 seconds of CC immunity every 45 seconds. This is the basis for nearly every complaint about Fury Marauders. In 5.9, they are removing the 75% chance to miss (which is where the CC immunity came from), and are instead replacing it with 75% DR. While that might seem like a good tradeoff, without the CC immunity, for good players who know how to pay attention to buffs/debuffs, it will be fairly easy to just CC that Fury Marauder whenever they pop Obfuscate and just target swap for the duration until that 6 seconds of DR is gone, at which point they can happily resume killing that Fury Marauder. It's really no different than Mercenary/Commando reflect, where you stop attacking them while that's up. There are other abilities that mimic this design, so it's nothing new, but requires a little more player awareness. Similarly, the Fury Marauder player will need to use Obfuscate more judiciously (saving it for big hits), whereas before, you'd use Obfuscate nearly every time it was up. Without that CC immunity, Fury Maras will no longer be able to attack targets with impunity, and will be subject to the CC fest that characterizes PvP in this game. In summary, Fury was definitely nerfed. I think he means the CC immunity Fury gets for using Crush. Which if you think about it, makes zero sense that they get this when you compare it to the Jugg version of the spec. They're already far tankier than the Jugg when you factor in Cloak of Pain, Obfuscate with RA, Predation and Camo, this suite of cd's easily beats Enraged Defense, Saber Reflect and Endure Pain, and the only other real advantages the Jugg has is guard (which in most cases is just suicide since he'll get focused first anyways), Intercede (Predation is better in almost every way), and taunts (again Jugg will get focused first so useless). I think the reasoning behind them giving this to the Mara was that they can't spec Unstoppable, but I guarantee every Rage Jugg would trade Unstoppable for that CC immunity on crush in a heartbeat. Just poor game design. Edited April 7, 2018 by wadecounty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rkillerfin Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Nice nerf of 50-80 dps, loving it. And fury (a *********** burst spec) will still parse higher than anni (a *********** dot spec). Marvelous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadessaWayland Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 am sure opertive/scoundrel have a smile on there face again we can stun lock mara/sen again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcTrooperElite Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 How about reducing it by 18.5% and then giving it back to Combat/Carnage? You know the discipline that no one plays now because you nerfed it into oblivion. Hell you have to have a separate gear set for it to make it even remotely competitive now. Hey folks, Marauders /Sentinels are the only Classes in 5.9 that are receiving slightly different changes than the other Classes this patch so I wanted to call them out separately. Here are the changes: Maurader The Ruthless Aggressor utility has been changed so that activating Obfuscate temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Fury Reduced the damage done by Bloody Slashes by 18.5% Sentinel The Zealous Judgment utility has been changed so that activating Pacify temporarily yields a 75% increase in damage reduction for Force and tech attacks instead of a 75% chance to resist all Force and tech attacks. Concentration Reduced the damage done by Burning Slices by 18.5% We are making two changes. First, following last year's balance pass, these Classes are still slightly overperforming. The change to Bloody Slashes / Burning Slices is looking to address this. The second change is more of a functionality change. Ruthless Aggressor / Zealous Judgment would create a situation where there was very little counterplay against a Marauder / Sentinel during the effect of Obfuscate / Pacify. Since it created a chance to resist effects, it meant damage and crowd control were inconsistent against them. The change we are making is that instead of a 75% chance to miss, it adds 75% damage reduction. Now, a Marauder or Sentinel can be crowd controlled during the effect, but it will still allow them to take greatly reduced damage. Thanks everyone! -eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyuuu Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) How about reducing it by 18.5% and then giving it back to Combat/Carnage? You know the discipline that no one plays now because you nerfed it into oblivion. Hell you have to have a separate gear set for it to make it even remotely competitive now. you asking to much, pretty sure they dont play this game in live environment just on closed servers, which would explain all the other changes happen in 5.9, which technically isnt gona fix anything, they just added to problems with most there changes. the tank changes are horrible to really they hurt actual tanks while doesnt fix the shank problem, and when I read the utility changes all I had to say was wth your adding to the problem? that skeleton crew running swtor and changing things shows Edited April 27, 2018 by Kyuuu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyronamics Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 you asking to much, pretty sure they dont play this game in live environment just on closed servers, which would explain all the other changes happen in 5.9, which technically isnt gona fix anything, they just added to problems with most there changes. the tank changes are horrible to really they hurt actual tanks while doesnt fix the shank problem, and when I read the utility changes all I had to say was wth your adding to the problem? that skeleton crew running swtor and changing things shows Are you sure you can't think of any bad ideas that were implemented when there was a larger swtor team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infedele Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Playing like annihilation is always a stunlock->death they nerfed all spec, not only fury. need fix, it's realy frustrating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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