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Lethality Op PVP vid 2


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wishihadaname
02.16.2013 , 02:32 PM | #11
Team DOT huh? Dimitri Dolohov, Professional Russian, and lethality operative since launch, at your service!

Jokes aside though, a full team of multidotters would be deadly even without culls. A single op can put out about 800-ish dps by having poison nade + dart on a target, times 4 that's 3.2k worth of damage to everyone on the enemy team every second. I don't think there is any way to heal through that, not is there any way to effectively cleanse it away since cleanse will only remove 2 of the 8 dots ticking on you. Toss in some 3-8k culls and the ability to stack 4 orbitals (or about 50k of damage), and this could be a seriously scary team.

Realistically though, I don't think a team of 4 operatives is a good idea since we are so dang squishy. What makes us deadly skirmishers is how slippery we are and how quickly we recover once we get out of harms way, but if there are not "easier" targets then we will just be getting in each other way, a skirmisher isn't much good if he's forced to the front line. Sadly we are still savagely outclassed by smashers, and we gain far less from having a good healer and tank then they do since we are largely independent anyways.
-Dimitri Dolohov, lvl 55 Lethality OP. Toxic personality (Retired until viable again)
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Defecter
02.16.2013 , 02:43 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by wishihadaname View Post
I don't think there is any way to heal through that, not is there any way to effectively cleanse it away since cleanse will only remove 2 of the 8 dots ticking on you.
Team HoT?

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Ravashakk
02.16.2013 , 03:58 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by wishihadaname View Post
Team DOT huh? Dimitri Dolohov, Professional Russian, and lethality operative since launch, at your service!

Jokes aside though, a full team of multidotters would be deadly even without culls. A single op can put out about 800-ish dps by having poison nade + dart on a target, times 4 that's 3.2k worth of damage to everyone on the enemy team every second. I don't think there is any way to heal through that, not is there any way to effectively cleanse it away since cleanse will only remove 2 of the 8 dots ticking on you. Toss in some 3-8k culls and the ability to stack 4 orbitals (or about 50k of damage), and this could be a seriously scary team.

Realistically though, I don't think a team of 4 operatives is a good idea since we are so dang squishy. What makes us deadly skirmishers is how slippery we are and how quickly we recover once we get out of harms way, but if there are not "easier" targets then we will just be getting in each other way, a skirmisher isn't much good if he's forced to the front line. Sadly we are still savagely outclassed by smashers, and we gain far less from having a good healer and tank then they do since we are largely independent anyways.
Couple things you aren't accounting for. The team is entirely stealth. So keeping 2 of anything is going to be hard for the other team if they can't rotate fast. When you are in a defensive advantage (2 turrets, 2 nodes, defending in voidstar etc...) you can respec to have all healers since the name of the game is "stall". If a tank is going to be apart, it will be a sin for the stealth and dot spec capability if we need deeps instead of tanking (offense in voidstar)
Medicine/Lethality PVP Patch 2.3
I don't tab dot to fluff my damage...I tab dot so that when I'm done wrecking your buddy, I can move right on to wrecking you.

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Ravashakk
02.16.2013 , 04:12 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Defecter View Post
Team HoT?
How many teams do you know that have 4-5 healers capable of SUSTAINING 2k+ HPS for an extended period of time required to stop ppl from dying?

Corrosive dart does like 560 non crit to geared targets. With my gear you're looking at ~49% crit with 79.9% surge and 25% chance to double proc. The average tick every 3 seconds per target per operative will be 974, or 325 DPS.

Corrosive grenade does like 365 non crit to geared targets. The average tick every 3 seconds per target per operative will be 508, or 169 DPS.

I'd say in a big group battle, keeping dart on 6 targets, and grenade on 4-5 is easy to manage. (not taking into account lingering toxins dmg). So with 4 operatives doing this, the average dps would be 11,180. Doing NOTHING else, 11,180 dmg every second spread out over the entire team. This doesn't take into account defensive cooldowns, or cleanses (which will prob be neglected due to large healing required). This dmg happens regardless of LOS, range, CC, or death. If you sac a little survivability by not having a 3rd healer or a tank, you get another set of dots, bringing it up to almost 14k DPS.

Now from experience on my operative and scoundrel healing, I could sustain 2-2.5k HPS in the PERFECT situation. Even at 2.5k HPS, you would need prob 5 healers to get the job done. 3 would only cut it in half, which means in 10 seconds of battle after dots are out, there will be 70k dmg that isn't being healed.

Don't get me started on burst with coordinated explosive probes and culls.
Medicine/Lethality PVP Patch 2.3
I don't tab dot to fluff my damage...I tab dot so that when I'm done wrecking your buddy, I can move right on to wrecking you.

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Defecter
02.16.2013 , 06:55 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ravashakk View Post
*snip rant*
- <- joke
o <- Your head.

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Ravashakk
02.16.2013 , 09:16 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Defecter View Post
- <- joke
o <- Your head.


I know you were joking, that wasn't going to stop me from posting though.
Medicine/Lethality PVP Patch 2.3
I don't tab dot to fluff my damage...I tab dot so that when I'm done wrecking your buddy, I can move right on to wrecking you.

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AngelofCain
02.16.2013 , 09:24 PM | #17
I personally will probably not ever go Lethality, but I am impressed that some people make it work. I Generally go out of my way to kill lethality Ops just to see what they can do to me.

So I wish all lethality ops the absolute best. I love watching you guys burn people down. it makes me giggle terribly.
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Zunayson
02.23.2013 , 03:29 PM | #18
If this guy can do that now, you're going to LOVE 2.0 scoundrel.

shiv gives you: 60% chance to make next cull free and regrant TA, 20 sec internal CD
sleeping targets take no dot damage (Good for sleep dart > two dots = get two GCDs on the opponent)
no cd 25 energy 12 m roll, when slowed only 6m, gives 30% defense chance while rolling. 30% to make next Kinf free and instant (Kinf is now 9 sec cd with a 9 second hot)
30% buff to shield probe
No cooldown on corrosive grenade
Corrosive dart is now 16 energy (cannot be lowered with medicine talent anymore)
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