Crossward Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Scenario: A team of 8 hypothetically perfect players who never make mistakes come to SWTOR to raid all current HM and NiM operations. They will thoroughly research and learn the fight, and will never make a mistake due to player error. They want to make things difficult for themselves, however, and so they intentionally choose to play the worst advanced classes or combination of classes in each role. The rules: No alts allowed--each of the 8 players gets only 1 character. 2 characters in tank specializations, playing their tank as optimally as possible. 2 characters in heal specialization, playing their healer as optimally as possible. 4 DPS in correct stances, playing as optimally as possible. All 8 must be advanced classes. Assume they have maximized gear with the best set pieces. The ONLY way they're holding themselves back is by choosing the worst advanced classes. What DPS, Tank, and heal roles do the 8 people play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiththeForc Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 My dear friend noxy says 2 pt tanks, 5 sorcs, and 1 Beastfury so the sorcs can keep extricating him and the pts can keep grappling things away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskyBoy Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 2 PT tanks 4 concealment ops and 2 op healers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludoviccb Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Depending on the boss, the worse combination change. DPS : 4 concentration sentinel if there isn't any adds, they got the worse performance on single target of all the melee dps from the parse on Parsely. Even the scoundrel outdps it by at least 400 on the dummy for the best parses. If there is a lot of adds, I would go with 4 Ruffian Scoundrel. That discipline do about the same single target dps as scrapper, it's dot spread is awful, with Blaster Volley, you're lucky if you hit the guy right in front of you and it's dps burst isn't very good when switching target. Healers : 2 Scoundrel Heals if the boss got any strong burst time, scoundrel will have a lot of trouble. Tanks : It really depend on the fight, if the boss attacks are all Force/Tech, 2 Guardian would probably be the worse due to focus management and aggro problems, it's really hard to keep aggro when you got to use your basic attack about 3-4 times every 18s. If the boss got strong burst damage energy/kinetic damage over a small period of time with a timer less than 2 minutes, shadow tanks would probably be the worse. If there is a armor rating stacking debuff like the droid in KP, the Vanguard tank got trouble if they got to keep holding the boss compared to the other tanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocor Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 2 PT tanks 4 concealment ops and 2 op healers. Might be a nice set.up for Revan HM. Heaves? Don't care about. Just the blades might be a bit... complicated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskyBoy Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 (edited) Might be a nice set.up for Revan HM. Heaves? Don't care about. Just the blades might be a bit... complicated... You may not even get to Revan since you would have to single target every single add on the commanders and no 60 sec cc unless one of the ops uses their stealth out. Edited February 27, 2016 by MuskyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warnl Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 My dear friend noxy says 2 pt tanks, 5 sorcs, and 1 Beastfury so the sorcs can keep extricating him and the pts can keep grappling things away don't forget the trans-locate/transpose for the current PT offtank, guaranteeing a maximum down time for beast throughout a fight. yet i still see him doing more damage than ero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyriais Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Any team with Krayt as a member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlrikFassbauer Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Interesting is that what I read here is the direct opposite to the very best setups used in PvP ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiththeForc Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Any team with Krayt as a member Beast + krayt + shin = a match made in heaven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyboardNinja Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Double Jugg Tanks Double Operative Healers (double merc comes in a close second) Four Operative DPS No AoE. Mediocre (or at best, average) single-target DPS. Poor survivability. Very low utility. Limited raid buffs/debuffs. Generally sub-optimal tanks. Healers completely incapable of handling burst. Edited February 28, 2016 by KeyboardNinja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 PT Tanks 4 Concealment Operative DPS 2 Merc Healers Tanks are arguable, but the Concealment Ops will be awful for AoE or anything that doesn't let you stay in melee range the whole time. Also Ravagers and ToS will usually annihilate an all-melee DPS group. Picked Mercs due to mobility and their little healy shield thing not stacking. I know most went 2 Op healers but at least all their stuff stacks with one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COOKIESNOMNOMNOM Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The least optimal raid team award goes to OPERATIVE. What does Bioware do? NERF OPERATIVES. Bravo its genius in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWidowmaker Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 i would go 2 assasin tanks, 1 operative 1 merc healer, 1 each of jugg dps, assasin dps, concealment operative dps and madness sorc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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