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Argileon
05.09.2019 , 09:47 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
Why do you think they are banning without proof? What good does asking the player if he cheats or not? All he has to say is "no."

You wrote a very strange post.
They did a few mistakes with their last bans this year. Starting with closing accounts for several named reasons. And with several named reasons I mean literally a list of reasons that you maybe Exploited, cheated, win traded or shared accounts. They sent an email of which you can’t tell exactly why you got punished. Okay we gotta be fair - I bet a lot of people did all of these things on one account. But you get what I mean. Not starting with false bans and unbanning players. Didn’t Mike say he wants to tell us why they unbanned all these people last season? Maybe I missed his post but I am pretty sure I would have heard of it.

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Lhancelot
05.09.2019 , 10:03 AM | #22
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you allowed one bot user to ruin solo ranked on DM for 4 days..... what about this?
The problem is they do not have and have never had ingame GMs that respond to petitions. Probably one of the worst petition systems I dealt with on a game tbh regarding hacks and cheats.

Ingame problems need to be solved ASAP otherwise the product (the game) is ruined and compromised heavily every second some loser continues to ruin or manipulate matches.

It's hard to believe BW doesn't understand how much disruption even just one hour of cheats/hacks can cause. The effects are like a ripple and really do cost the game if not in subs definitely in less played time by players pissed off the hacks are rampant and not being addressed.

Either they need a way to sort out cheaters and punish them properly OR change up the scoring system so that it's not such a breeze to manipulate. Seeing for 7 years now they have failed to stop win trades, I believe it fair to say this is an impossible task.
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As I detailed in another thread, RNG give the players more control over their gearing.
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RNG is counterproductive because it massively increases player dissatisfaction.

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JediMasterAlex
05.09.2019 , 10:31 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Argileon View Post
They did a few mistakes with their last bans this year. Starting with closing accounts for several named reasons. And with several named reasons I mean literally a list of reasons that you maybe Exploited, cheated, win traded or shared accounts. They sent an email of which you can’t tell exactly why you got punished. Okay we gotta be fair - I bet a lot of people did all of these things on one account. But you get what I mean. Not starting with false bans and unbanning players. Didn’t Mike say he wants to tell us why they unbanned all these people last season? Maybe I missed his post but I am pretty sure I would have heard of it.
This is just nonsense. There were no false bans. Some of the players rightfully banned got their bans overturned, yes. One of those players is currently the top rated jugg on star forge. He's a well-known wintrader. Several other well-known wintraders also got their bans reversed. Bioware just doesn't seem to have the spine to harshly punish the people actively ruining meaningful ranked gameplay.

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Dreildrag
05.09.2019 , 11:26 AM | #24
If they are doing the outdated system of script banning or banning people just on the number of reports on a player just refund me now. This system only worked for the people exploiting.

Let me go threw some a few things people don't know or may not understand.

Websites still sell services like power leveling and such. Those people have a group and they all grind together. Real people or sometimes a few people and the rest are bots. If someone sees a player that may threaten that guys income all he has to do is flip account's and report a legit player with every account he has access to. In the end its a legit player dealing with a ban or suspension.

Another problem is salty mental players who sit on a computer all day who cant handle a loss. If you are new to the game or class or even "under geared" after bolstered they will slander you in chat saying your a bot report them and whatnot. I just went threw this myself. These people do report you even more so if you don't respond to the slander's BS.

People have their guilds send false reports to something they never seen. Most games I played had someone in guild telling other people to report "X" for hacking and many of them will do it no questions asked.

Its 2019 and companies still act like its the early 2000's on how to handle problems like this. I mean yeah SWTOR is 8 years old and the game mechanics are way behind the times, some of which might be addressed in the next expansion but I don't see the game ever thriving again until they do a complete overhaul or on weeks a Star Wars movies hit theaters.

If you want to catch career bots I would look at time played, IP addresses, average ping. Once you have a pattern of that and mark the anomaly's you can shorten the list of potential violators. So for example some named "SDlgijglse Uninstall" has been logged in 30 hours on average from random countries with a 999 ping you would know to pay more attention to reports about that account and even go in a few games he's playing to make sure nothing else is out of the ordinary.

Another way that was effective is if staff would take a active roll in PVP. Talk in chat or spam messages "Staff is monitoring the battleground." If staff really are watching it or not is up to the company but it is a effective deterrent.

Another thing to consider is games with to many buttons to push are becoming a thing of the past. Other games have altered their EULA and implemented a type of chain macro to make the game more enjoyable. The original hardcore players are in their 40's - 50's and I know a handful that's in the 60's-70's. A guy with arthritis vs a 16 high on Redbull just does not work with any current MMO business model your eliminating the older age group, and in the case of Star Wars many of the 1976 era players might still be around. Short and simple to many damn buttons.

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Seterade
05.09.2019 , 11:45 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreildrag View Post

Another way that was effective is if staff would take a active roll in PVP. Talk in chat or spam messages "Staff is monitoring the battleground." If staff really are watching it or not is up to the company but it is a effective deterrent.
HAAHHA, my sides. I spit out out my coffee

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Rion_Starkiller
05.09.2019 , 12:13 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreildrag View Post
Websites still sell services like power leveling and such. Those people have a group and they all grind together. Real people or sometimes a few people and the rest are bots. If someone sees a player that may threaten that guys income all he has to do is flip account's and report a legit player with every account he has access to. In the end its a legit player dealing with a ban or suspension.

Another problem is salty mental players who sit on a computer all day who cant handle a loss. If you are new to the game or class or even "under geared" after bolstered they will slander you in chat saying your a bot report them and whatnot. I just went threw this myself. These people do report you even more so if you don't respond to the slander's BS.

People have their guilds send false reports to something they never seen. Most games I played had someone in guild telling other people to report "X" for hacking and many of them will do it no questions asked.
Thank you for this explanation. I have seen similar behavior in the NiM community when competing for "world firsts."
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Rion_Starkiller
05.09.2019 , 12:17 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Seterade View Post
HAAHHA, my sides. I spit out out my coffee
Wouldn't it be funny if the devs created their own granked team and streamed their matches? The lawlz would be endless, but it would be a fun bonding experience with the community.
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Lies have been corrected.

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Dreildrag
05.09.2019 , 12:32 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
Wouldn't it be funny if the devs created their own granked team and streamed their matches? The lawlz would be endless, but it would be a fun bonding experience with the community.
That would be funny. A secret dev team of 8. They would see some of the other team facing left to right at lightning speed while they take no damage. They would be chain stunned or choked with a bot like precision. Or better yet make it a dev team of 7 and let the 8th be a pug and when the dev team looses the pug person can call the developer bots and report them.

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JediMasterAlex
05.09.2019 , 02:54 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Dreildrag View Post
If they are doing the outdated system of script banning or banning people just on the number of reports on a player just refund me now. This system only worked for the people exploiting.

Let me go threw some a few things people don't know or may not understand.

Websites still sell services like power leveling and such. Those people have a group and they all grind together. Real people or sometimes a few people and the rest are bots. If someone sees a player that may threaten that guys income all he has to do is flip account's and report a legit player with every account he has access to. In the end its a legit player dealing with a ban or suspension.

Another problem is salty mental players who sit on a computer all day who cant handle a loss. If you are new to the game or class or even "under geared" after bolstered they will slander you in chat saying your a bot report them and whatnot. I just went threw this myself. These people do report you even more so if you don't respond to the slander's BS.

People have their guilds send false reports to something they never seen. Most games I played had someone in guild telling other people to report "X" for hacking and many of them will do it no questions asked.

Its 2019 and companies still act like its the early 2000's on how to handle problems like this. I mean yeah SWTOR is 8 years old and the game mechanics are way behind the times, some of which might be addressed in the next expansion but I don't see the game ever thriving again until they do a complete overhaul or on weeks a Star Wars movies hit theaters.

If you want to catch career bots I would look at time played, IP addresses, average ping. Once you have a pattern of that and mark the anomaly's you can shorten the list of potential violators. So for example some named "SDlgijglse Uninstall" has been logged in 30 hours on average from random countries with a 999 ping you would know to pay more attention to reports about that account and even go in a few games he's playing to make sure nothing else is out of the ordinary.
Virtually none of this makes any sense. You are just making things up. If you're not, what kind of evidence could you possibly have for such things taking place?

Quote: Originally Posted by Rion_Starkiller View Post
Thank you for this explanation. I have seen similar behavior in the NiM community when competing for "world firsts."
He hasn't explained anything...he is just making things up. He also thinks that when people react faster than him in regs they're cheating...

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TrixxieTriss
05.09.2019 , 03:03 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Lhancelot View Post
The problem is they do not have and have never had ingame GMs that respond to petitions. Probably one of the worst petition systems I dealt with on a game tbh regarding hacks and cheats.

Ingame problems need to be solved ASAP otherwise the product (the game) is ruined and compromised heavily every second some loser continues to ruin or manipulate matches.

It's hard to believe BW doesn't understand how much disruption even just one hour of cheats/hacks can cause. The effects are like a ripple and really do cost the game if not in subs definitely in less played time by players pissed off the hacks are rampant and not being addressed.

Either they need a way to sort out cheaters and punish them properly OR change up the scoring system so that it's not such a breeze to manipulate. Seeing for 7 years now they have failed to stop win trades, I believe it fair to say this is an impossible task.
5 years ago I was in a guild and our GM had an inside track to Bioware. I believe his friend worked there or something.
Anyway, we were sort of de facto Mods if we saw dodgy bots farming in pvp or pve.
I remember this one time when I’d just rolled a new GS on Ord Mantel and there were these 4 bots in a group just farming mobs in this one place. (There were always heaps of bots on OM).
Anyway, my GM was online and I told him. 5 mins later his Bioware mate turns up. We have a quick chat and he collects what ever evidence he needed. Next thing the Bots disappear. He thanked me and he was gone.
There were a few other times guildies did this and his Bioware friend turned up really fast and was able to catch the bots red handed.
It’s a real shame Bioware can’t vet some actual players and we could have some people in the game with an inside track to a Bioware person who could come gather evidence and then take immediate action to the cheaters.
If the cheats knew there were people like this around and Bioware could turn up and ban on the spot, they would be less likely to try it because the proof would be irrefutable.