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Guildships COST 50 MILLION CREDITS!?

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Guildships COST 50 MILLION CREDITS!?

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DarthOvertone
07.28.2014 , 11:20 AM | #341
Quote: Originally Posted by Devrius View Post
Well that at least seal the deal, small guilds shouldn't even try to get a capital ship, you'll never see the boni since those who got their capital ships early will have an unbreakable hold over key planets.
The Guild Conquest content is still an unknown. We won't really know what it is until it's released this week on the PTS. So we can reserve our speculation in that regard.


Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
In the 18 weeks since the announcement of guild flagships last March and the announcement of the price, you COULD have saved some credits. Just a little bit per day would have added up.

Why didn't you? You and your guildies only have themselves to blame for not being able to afford a flagship on day 1.

The problem isn't the high price. :/
What? I saw an announcement concerning Guild Ships. I saw no announcement about the specific cost of said ships or that their purchase would be required to access specific planetary conquest content.

Citations please.


Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
You play in 3 different guilds...I guess I am just not that kind of player and the guilds I have been in generally requested that you didn't play in other guilds as to no have conflicts with raiding.
Playing in multiple guilds is not a strange thing. In fact, it's likely the norm. I would argue the anomaly is the player who only belongs and plays in one Guild.


Quote: Originally Posted by Infernixx View Post
They've already said that there's a Personal Conquest system to go along with the Guild Conquest system. The players aren't being cut out of anything.
You contradict yourself in the statement above. By not being able to participate in Guild Conquest content, players are being cut out of content. Whether Personal Conquest content is provided is of no consequence in relation to the point. One form of content is gated. As such, some players won't be able to do it. Period.

We certainly do need more information though. What is the Guild Conquest content? What is the Personal Conquest content? It's supposedly being released on the PTS this week.
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07.28.2014 , 11:30 AM | #342
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Back on topic.

Truth be told everyone, the cost of the ships and everything else is a moot point. We have been overlooking the obvious workaround to the problem of credits in the game, and that is namely the CC to credits conversion thanks to the CM and GTN:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=754322
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07.28.2014 , 11:45 AM | #343
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashwinn View Post
Man, people these days just want things handed to them with little to no effort. If you have busy real life you prolly shouldnt be playing an mmo.
This pretty much sums up the entire polarization of the argument concerning the revealed costs of Guild Ships and Legacy Storage. Its ignorance is absolutely astounding.

People play games, even MMO's, to have fun. Even busy people with real lives and obligations play MMO's. In fact, I'd easily wager that the vast majority of players are over the age of 18 and have jobs or go to school.

Then you get people like this who apparently have no obligations and who will tell people who do that they shouldn't be playing an MMO because it's "serious business" and if you don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day playing you shouldn't expect to get any newly released content inside of 6 months.

I can say this with authority because no working adult ever uses the word "prolly". People who use the word "prolly" should probably be spending more time concentrating on their English homework and less time playing MMO's.

I'm willing to bet a paycheck that the person complaining about people wanting things handed to them has parents who do their laundry, buy their food and put a roof over their head.

Get this straight, this is a casual MMO. Casual players don't keep large sums of credits laying around. Casual players don't enjoy spending their limited time doing the same crap over and over just to be able to later enjoy new content that may or may not be worth all that effort. Players with responsibilities that preclude spending every waking moment playing computer games would like to think the real life money they spend on entertainment would get them new content without ruining their playing time.

If EA/BW continues with this 50 million credit thinking, they had either be prepared for backlash or be thinking that the next expansion will involve credit rewards that make 50 million credits then equal to 15 million credits now.
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07.28.2014 , 11:55 AM | #344
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashwinn View Post
Man, people these days just want things handed to them with little to no effort. If you have busy real life you prolly shouldnt be playing an mmo.
man, people these days cant read(or maybe its the comprehension)

20 million credits=/= little or no effort. as hard as that might be for you to understand. saying something is overpriced does not mean you want it for free. it isnt that hard to understand, at least for adults.

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07.28.2014 , 12:13 PM | #345
My own guild is still a few million away from being able to unlock it, but we'll have the 50mil by the time Guild Ships hit. We still have 3 weeks before it's live, people need to get out there and start working on it.

Seriously, if a group of 5-10 people can't get 50mil in a month's time, then they're not even trying.
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07.28.2014 , 12:13 PM | #346
I wonder how many guilds will actually be doing the conquest stuff if they can't afford the guild ship?

Seems like a very small number would actually be available to do the conquest stuff.

50 mil is just a little high to have a large group doing that content.

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07.28.2014 , 12:34 PM | #347
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
This pretty much sums up the entire polarization of the argument concerning the revealed costs of Guild Ships and Legacy Storage. Its ignorance is absolutely astounding.

People play games, even MMO's, to have fun. Even busy people with real lives and obligations play MMO's. In fact, I'd easily wager that the vast majority of players are over the age of 18 and have jobs or go to school.

Then you get people like this who apparently have no obligations and who will tell people who do that they shouldn't be playing an MMO because it's "serious business" and if you don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day playing you shouldn't expect to get any newly released content inside of 6 months.

I can say this with authority because no working adult ever uses the word "prolly". People who use the word "prolly" should probably be spending more time concentrating on their English homework and less time playing MMO's.

I'm willing to bet a paycheck that the person complaining about people wanting things handed to them has parents who do their laundry, buy their food and put a roof over their head.

Get this straight, this is a casual MMO. Casual players don't keep large sums of credits laying around. Casual players don't enjoy spending their limited time doing the same crap over and over just to be able to later enjoy new content that may or may not be worth all that effort. Players with responsibilities that preclude spending every waking moment playing computer games would like to think the real life money they spend on entertainment would get them new content without ruining their playing time.

If EA/BW continues with this 50 million credit thinking, they had either be prepared for backlash or be thinking that the next expansion will involve credit rewards that make 50 million credits then equal to 15 million credits now.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
I wonder how many guilds will actually be doing the conquest stuff if they can't afford the guild ship?

Seems like a very small number would actually be available to do the conquest stuff.

50 mil is just a little high to have a large group doing that content.
As someone else said in another thread - there are probably (see I can spell it right!) many guilds that don't care about the conquest as much as they just care about having a ship for their guild. Quite frankly, I think this thing would be better served by making the ships free and putting the price tag on unlocking the conquest content (if BW feels that an entry fee is indeed necessary at all). That way, nothing changes for those who want it and those who don't still get a new toy to play with when the content is released and don't have to waste credits on something they have no interest in.
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07.28.2014 , 12:37 PM | #348
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
This pretty much sums up the entire polarization of the argument concerning the revealed costs of Guild Ships and Legacy Storage. Its ignorance is absolutely astounding.

People play games, even MMO's, to have fun. Even busy people with real lives and obligations play MMO's. In fact, I'd easily wager that the vast majority of players are over the age of 18 and have jobs or go to school.

Then you get people like this who apparently have no obligations and who will tell people who do that they shouldn't be playing an MMO because it's "serious business" and if you don't have the time to spend 12 hours a day playing you shouldn't expect to get any newly released content inside of 6 months.

I can say this with authority because no working adult ever uses the word "prolly". People who use the word "prolly" should probably be spending more time concentrating on their English homework and less time playing MMO's.

I'm willing to bet a paycheck that the person complaining about people wanting things handed to them has parents who do their laundry, buy their food and put a roof over their head.

Get this straight, this is a casual MMO. Casual players don't keep large sums of credits laying around. Casual players don't enjoy spending their limited time doing the same crap over and over just to be able to later enjoy new content that may or may not be worth all that effort. Players with responsibilities that preclude spending every waking moment playing computer games would like to think the real life money they spend on entertainment would get them new content without ruining their playing time.

If EA/BW continues with this 50 million credit thinking, they had either be prepared for backlash or be thinking that the next expansion will involve credit rewards that make 50 million credits then equal to 15 million credits now.
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07.28.2014 , 12:38 PM | #349
Quote: Originally Posted by AgentMarakesh View Post
Look, I don't know where the hell you lot get off thinking thats a great idea, but it's not, it's terrible.


Its going to alienate damn near every single small guild community you have, and I can say for certain it's gonna drop more and more subs who were looking forward to this to strengthen the want to play this game.


And now we get that steaming pile on our plates, and don't try to say that's not the price. It's all over the damn dulfy twitch live stream. Yeah, they stated it on their live stream, so THANKS AGAIN for alienating your small guild communities.

Hopefully the BACKLASH you get will make you rethink everything into some odd cash sink cash gate crap, but somehow I doubt it.
My guild is small, maybe got about 7 people actively donating. I see that 50 mill is a lot, but it's a frigging spaceship.

For the past 3 days we have been hitting dailies hard and pvp hard. We have raised 11.3 mil in 3 days. )(some stuff sold on GTN.
When we hit 50 mill not only will it be a victory that brings the guild closer, but it will be very uplifting. 39 mil to go! Wish us luck!

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07.28.2014 , 12:41 PM | #350
Quote: Originally Posted by NobleSpec View Post
I see that 50 mill is a lot, but it's a frigging spaceship.
It's a private instance, not a spaceship. 50 mil needs to be justified, so far it, hasn't been.
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