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Same gender romance discussion
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Tatile
03.31.2014 , 01:03 PM | #3301
Quote: Originally Posted by vadess View Post
Well, Tatile, have you seen what's on the PTS? I believe in 2.7 more story is coming to the game. There is also Role Playing. I love the class stories but it is awesome to write your own as well. And I've found quite a few people that our open to SGR RP.
SGR RP and fan fiction don't fix the problem, and they shouldn't be given as alternatives.

If you told world-first raiding guilds to "pretend" they had new raid content, they'd laugh at you and switch games.

Also, 2.7 has, what? Two flashpoints that aren't going to do anything other than get a few pieces of loot? Flashpoints are exactly the height of story content.

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vadess
03.31.2014 , 02:12 PM | #3302
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
SGR RP and fan fiction don't fix the problem, and they shouldn't be given as alternatives.

If you told world-first raiding guilds to "pretend" they had new raid content, they'd laugh at you and switch games.

Also, 2.7 has, what? Two flashpoints that aren't going to do anything other than get a few pieces of loot? Flashpoints are exactly the height of story content.
Warning: this is going to go everywhere as my thoughts are in a bit of a jumble on this issue.

With regards to 2.7, the 2 FPs aren't ends in themselves, but starting a new storyline- a storyline that could be worth the wait to be told instead of rushed through like so much of the content at the game's beginning was. After all, TV drama and sitcoms tell their stories this way, and it keeps bringing people back to get more. Perhaps part of the "more" for this new story line in SWTOR will include SGR in either new companions or changes to existing companions?

Of course none of us can answer that because Bioware insists on remaining silent. We don't remember the words of our enemies, but the silence of our "friends". Bioware was one of the few video game developers that was first to really become "friends" with the LGBT community and people who are fans of SGR as many of their big RPG games had SGR and OGR romance. And look at what's being talked about the most: Not the people who went into an uproar of Bioware creating Makeb, but the never ending silence afterwards.

Maybe I'm just too patient for my own good. I do try to be patient with this sort of thing, as I am a person with a disability (autism). I can't expect people to be patient with me if I am unwilling to be patient with them. Just like I try to say hi to everybody in my guild who logs in. Yet, if I say hi so often only to get no hi back, then eventually I stop saying hi. Just like eventually I stop saying

The days of being patient are over. I know, I just revoked my stance from the other day. Yet, I don't want to leave SWTOR because there is so much they game can still offer me. One downside to being on the autism spectrum: you only connect to people so well in certain ways, and SWTOR and it's one of the few places I connect very well to people. And I like very specific romances, most SGR male-male. Don't know why, beyond perhaps I'm a straight gal, but that's the way it is for me.

So, Bioware, this is coming from someone who tried to defend you: Do you want to be remembered as the silent friend, or the vocal one? Given the quote came originally from Martin Luther King Jr. I think you'd rather be on the latter.
Forum Posts Pro-SGR in SWTOR
Companion SGR: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=634157
Same Gender Romance Discussion: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=590526

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Slay_Victus
04.01.2014 , 06:09 PM | #3303
Quote: Originally Posted by TheOuroborus View Post
No talk of it from BW in a long, long time or on any of the road maps they've laid out recently. I pretty much have given up hope of this along with a myriad of other player requests we've had since pre-launch days. If it doesn't benefit the Cartel Market, it's not going to make the game.
Sure seems that way.

Latest announcement from BioEA is player housing and guild flagship. Something requested damn near day one, and talked about per-launch as "something we are working on". While it is nice to see this option coming to the game, I suspect it will be tailored to the Cartel Market for buying "Premium Content" for your home.

As for the topic of "Same gender romance".
Simply put.

If given the option for curly fries or regular fries you choose the one you like. If you do not like curly fries - don't pick curly fries.

If given the option for ****/bi sexual content or heterosexual content you choose the one you like. If you do not like ****/bi-sexual content - don't pick ****/bi-sexual content.

It's a game.

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Qamardarkstar
04.04.2014 , 07:00 PM | #3304
Quote: Originally Posted by vadess View Post
Well, Tatile, have you seen what's on the PTS? I believe in 2.7 more story is coming to the game. There is also Role Playing. I love the class stories but it is awesome to write your own as well. And I've found quite a few people that our open to SGR RP.
That is so true, on the writing and sgr rp. I'm usually am quiet when people in game an out of game, gripe about it. I think BW did a cracker jack job on the writing. I have 8 toons, each is a different class but my shadow and inq are the two story lines that I like best.

Going back to Gauntlet, I've almost exclusively played female characters. I never really gave it much thought until the last 4 years or so. I usually picked Chun Li because I thought she was the baddest of all the SF characters. I usually played Katana, Raiden, and Subzero equally. Point is, role playing is just that, role playing. So many people constantly gripe about these types of games, but fail to realize in the haze of their ranting what an MMORPG at its most fundamental actually is.

I'm hoping for sgr for my shadow because she has it bad for Nadia and Lt. Irresso is nice and all, but he's not really doing it for her. It'll be hard to let him down if BW enables sgr in the near future or ever, I really like him, but just as a friend. <- To me, that's how role playing works. So having sgr is just one more beneficial layer to an already awesome experience.

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Walkeir
04.10.2014 , 11:34 AM | #3305
You know I would like to say I am a very patient person. I am usually willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and wait them out, but I must say that my patience as pretty much reached its limit on this issue. I would almost say the very promise that Bioware made to include this at a later date is more of a lie then anything, IMO at this current date.

Now I don't wish to be rude although that may be seen this way, and I don't wish to start a fight with anyone as I have listened to this issue, and read through the many incarnations of this thread as well as many others discussing this issue. I have even defended Bioware at times on this issue and how difficult it may be to implement it if they did it in a correct manners as I hoped they would.

From my point of view if they SGR correctly not all companions will be available for it. It would take the shape of the relationships similar to Dragon Age or possibly Mass Effect (never played mass effect yet so not sure about this one). Where some companions will romance the same sex and some won't. The main reason I defended them in earlier posts, is the potential for cross over romance between companions, and the animations and issues this would cause. For example we will use the Sith Warrior: if my male Sith Warrior romances Dark Jaesa, and Vette there is a animation where Vette confronts you about this. In the animation and dialogue Jaesa implies that she is ok with sharing you, but Vette is not. Now imagine a female Sith Warrior in SGR with Dark Jaesa, and also a relationship with Lt. Pierce. This could also bring about a similar scene, although I doubt Pierce would object to this where Vette, and I think Quinn would. A similar scene also happens to male smugglers, but not female ones.

This is of course not going to happen on every class, story as the number of romances is different in many of them and not every romance option will or should bring up these kinds of scenes. I would hope players are not just sleeping with every companion available on their ship at least.

In the end However I have lost much of my patience as, it has been said several times, yes its coming, yes its coming we don't know when but it is. Also a lot of people seem to believe when it comes it wont effect older comps but only new ones. The Sad truth is if it effects only new companions then Yes, Bioware Lied to us.

It was originally said this content would be in at release, then changed before release to allow them to focus on other issues and hit their release date. However it was still coming to the game. I was fine with that under the assumption that it would come out rather quickly, because if it was originally planed then it was scripted, and one would assume when they had the voice actors working with them is was also recorded as these are pretty much the easiest parts of that task. So then they needed to code it and do the animations to go with the code. However they wanted to focus on other thins so, they cut this out. Basically (yes I am assuming a little here) we decided to cut somewhere around 1/3 to 1/2 the dialogue with companions, to focus on other content.

Ok the game was released on December of 2011, it his now 4/10/2014. So roughly 2 years 4 months later, Bioware has failed to implement a feature they originally planed at release. They have also avoided to issue at almost every turn, pretty much being unwilling to even discuss it. On the few occasions where they have to acknowledge it, they have been as vague as possible and moved on to another topic.

Now in my post above I make some assumptions, and I apologize if I have offended anyone with those that was not my intention. I merely with to point out that my patients is near its end as I said in the beginning, and hey if Bioware cannot provide me with what they promised their are other options out there where I can take my money.

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Tatile
04.11.2014 , 02:42 PM | #3306
So, you can [Flirt] with Darth Arkous on a male character. and get quite politely rebuffed. I'm not sure if you can [Flirt] with Lana Beniko on a female character, or Darth Arkous, as I've not done the quest with my Sorcerer yet. I'll let you guys know if that's possible (I'm guessing Lana is go, while Arkous is off limits) - but you can [Flirt] (multiple times) with Lana as a male character.

That said, a brief conversation with a friend of mine has brought up the trope "Bury Your Gays" - and... spoilers:
Spoiler


Perhaps Mr. Hood and Mr. Boyd think fridging is the hallmark of dramatic writing, and should be used whenever possible? That would be something to ask.

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AelixVII
04.11.2014 , 05:54 PM | #3307
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
So, you can [Flirt] with Darth Arkous on a male character. and get quite politely rebuffed. I'm not sure if you can [Flirt] with Lana Beniko on a female character, or Darth Arkous, as I've not done the quest with my Sorcerer yet. I'll let you guys know if that's possible (I'm guessing Lana is go, while Arkous is off limits) - but you can [Flirt] (multiple times) with Lana as a male character.

That said, a brief conversation with a friend of mine has brought up the trope "Bury Your Gays" - and... spoilers:
Spoiler


Perhaps Mr. Hood and Mr. Boyd think fridging is the hallmark of dramatic writing, and should be used whenever possible? That would be something to ask.
THIS.

These were my exact thoughts when I got that 'surprise flirt' (surprise yes, after all those female flirts - thanks for throwing us a bone I guess?) At this stage I think the only way the story could redeem itself after that for me is if...

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Edit: Just tried the start of the mission with a female char and can confirm you can flirt with Beniko:

http://s28.postimg.org/amcv8bk1p/fl1.jpg

Not sure about the rest of the conversations after the fist flashpoint though. I'm curious to see if female characters also get that rebuffed flirt too. I'm going to go with no and that they've made the female npc bisexual and not the male. Again.

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Maullum
04.12.2014 , 03:24 AM | #3308
There's also a single [FLIRT] option for both genders on the republic side. Not sure if it's an actual spoiler, but what the heck.

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Both the light and dark are flawed, it is the balance which amazes all.

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AelixVII
04.12.2014 , 03:49 AM | #3309
Quote: Originally Posted by Maullum View Post
There's also a single [FLIRT] option for both genders on the republic side. Not sure if it's an actual spoiler, but what the heck.

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Oh my goodness, we've found him... the only bisexual man in swtor

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Tatile
04.12.2014 , 05:44 AM | #3310
Quote: Originally Posted by AelixVII View Post
Oh my goodness, we've found him... the only bisexual man in swtor
Good god. Quick, we need to put him in a safe location, lest Bioware "correct" their "mistake".

Although, we can be quite sure he won't fall victim to the "Bury Your Gays" trope - at least not in the game - as he's a book character.

Also, yes, Alix, that would be a wonderful plot development, but one I think is sadly too complex for the "shove it in a flashpoint and be done with" system, as it would require actual writing and thought.