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So where are all these Juggs/Guardians dominating the leader boards?

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So where are all these Juggs/Guardians dominating the leader boards?

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Racter
11.24.2013 , 05:06 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
Guardians/Juggs get nothing except nerfs in dps output since nerf Single-saber mastery in 1.3, nerf near-to-autocrit dispatch in 2.0 and nerf bound Unremitting with Shien exclusively.

Its laughable when other tanks classes - Vanguards and Shadows - melee classes too - BOTH have in middle tree -30% passive DR from aoe; Sentinel class - also melee - have in middle tree -30% passive DR from aoe, BUT juggs/guardians HAVE NOT in middle tree (vigilance) that talent!

Its ridiculous!
Neither do Operatives. Know which two melee classes have zero representation as DPS in arena?

Oh wait. What a coincidence.

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Aetideus
11.24.2013 , 05:13 AM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by UndyingHadyn View Post
Make a petition requesting all 30% AOE damage reduction abilities to be relocated to top tier, single tree specific positions. Make the request include this ability available to all classes, at 10% per feat point.

I'd sign it.
Lol the problem is Smash output and not 30% AOE reduction.

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UndyingHadyn
11.24.2013 , 08:22 AM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Aetideus View Post
Lol the problem is Smash output and not 30% AOE reduction.
Says who?

In vengeance, my final tick of ravage alone has breached 8k. There are several attacks in game, from multiple classes that can hit for 8k. The point here is that aoe damage, especially when stacked is devastating.

Not to mention that the 30% AOE damage mitigation traits will stack on top of other mitigation values/abilities. Throw in a taunt and at times you could rephrase a "smash", instead as a "smitten tickle".

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ishbindeinvater
11.24.2013 , 09:27 AM | #14
but you can be darth vader!!!!
ICH BIN DEIN VAAAATEERRRRR !!!!!!!!!!!

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--DeathdealR--
11.24.2013 , 10:02 AM | #15
+1

The juggernaut suppose to be more tanky than the mara but it's not. We deserve this 30% aoe reduction and more.

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TonyDragonflame
11.24.2013 , 03:47 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Racter View Post
Neither do Operatives. Know which two melee classes have zero representation as DPS in arena?

Oh wait. What a coincidence.
Operatives can vanish ----> heal to full.
Guardians/juggs cannot.

Frontline melee class without -30% passive aoe reduction absolutely ridiculous!
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Zoom_VI
11.24.2013 , 03:55 PM | #17
I like how someone says Jugg/Guardian and everyone assumes the discussion must be DPS only. Just like its been impossible since 1.2 to have a thread discussion about 36pt shieldtech.
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TonyDragonflame
11.24.2013 , 04:00 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
Top 100 world wide top solo ranked classes
Guardian/Jugg 4/100
.
World Top 100 GROUP ranked.

Guardian/jugg 1/100

GG.
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Calvin_Mago
11.24.2013 , 07:41 PM | #19
I'd say this is more about DPS Juggs, because it's friggen hard to get a pop in solo queue as a tank. Which is a whole other issue that needs to be addressed.
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Makavelithug
11.24.2013 , 07:58 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Siorac View Post
Meh, been done to death.
Why would you play Rage/Focus Guardian when you can play the same tree with a Sentinel and you'll have far, far more survivability? .
Because Jugg has aoe mezz, aoe cc, force push, force choke, and can damage just as much as a marauder.

I will tell you why marauders are geting nerfed, one move, http://www.torhead.com/ability/fYZIabE/undying-rage.

Stealth with undying rage gives a marauder and get outta jail free card, and is sole reason most pick marauders over jugg.

Once balance comes and marauders get some form of nerf, then you will see jugg and other classes on top as well.

You have to understand this is coming from someone that has played marauder since beta, i decided to reroll to jugg due to it being the least played in arena when it comes to dps.