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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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Scum & Villainy (NiM) 8-Man Progression Tracking

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JDotter
08.16.2013 , 05:14 PM | #361
Quote: Originally Posted by xBeldin View Post
No need to get defensive, I appreciate the effort of putting this together and managing it. But for future reference "no one else would do it" is not a free pass from scrutiny. You obviously understand the responsibility of doing this and if the questions are annoying you can not do it. I know I'm not volunteering myself and if I did I can guarantee I'd screw it up. Keep up the good work it is appreciated.

He wasn't getting defensive


Personally if I put in the time he/suckafish did and someone was upset they killed styrak and aren't ranked 7th and needed the personal validation to see where they are ranked is somewhat silly.

In the end in its all for fun and you guys were the 7th to kill styrak guild wise and everyone who pays attention knows that.

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thomasgharvey
08.16.2013 , 05:34 PM | #362
Quote: Originally Posted by JDotter View Post
He wasn't getting defensive


Personally if I put in the time he/suckafish did and someone was upset they killed styrak and aren't ranked 7th and needed the personal validation to see where they are ranked is somewhat silly.

In the end in its all for fun and you guys were the 7th to kill styrak guild wise and everyone who pays attention knows that.
We were actually 6th , just seems weird that the 6th guild in the world to clear it gets ranked in 9th for the instance, feel it would be hard to justifiably explain that as 6th 7th and 8th place havent even completed the instance.

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xBeldin
08.16.2013 , 05:39 PM | #363
Quote: Originally Posted by JDotter View Post
He wasn't getting defensive


Personally if I put in the time he/suckafish did and someone was upset they killed styrak and aren't ranked 7th and needed the personal validation to see where they are ranked is somewhat silly.

In the end in its all for fun and you guys were the 7th to kill styrak guild wise and everyone who pays attention knows that.
So what is the point of this at all if there isn't validation? Validation implies validity and this sheet is not valid so how about you continue to call me silly and not add to the conversation.
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Carlenux
08.16.2013 , 05:44 PM | #364
agree with you, but either way, she will fix it with either adding two columns more to solve problem or something else, but i do see your problem, like ive said, points are for the top 3-4 guilds depending how many clear first week, it has an importance on the top 4-5 considering kills were 1-2 days of each others + titles gave point boost so its "comparable" once you start adding kills that are 1-2-3 weeks behind first, it really lose its point, i saw a boss that gave 50 points only vs 630 lol, a group might do his first run today and clear 7/7 in one night, still be World 7th clear and be like 14th ranking for points deficit, so unless you are in the actual 1-2 days difference competition on the top of the rankings where it does make sense, points should not worry you, you are 6th, the people that "matters" knows it .
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JDotter
08.16.2013 , 06:43 PM | #365
Quote: Originally Posted by thomasgharvey View Post
We were actually 6th , just seems weird that the 6th guild in the world to clear it gets ranked in 9th for the instance, feel it would be hard to justifiably explain that as 6th 7th and 8th place havent even completed the instance.
DnT killed it 2 weeks ago just didn't post. Yes its weird, but there is no point in fixing the flaw at this given time. I just had a issue with the work suckafish does for the swtor community and you guys aren't happy because you are ranked in the wrong spot. Like I mentioned before points are silly only thing that matters are the dates it was killed and who killed it.

Quote: Originally Posted by xBeldin View Post
So what is the point of this at all if there isn't validation? Validation implies validity and this sheet is not valid so how about you continue to call me silly and not add to the conversation.

Its for fun and for those who like to compete to compete. Everyone knows when you guys killed it may not be reflected in a spreadsheet but you were the 7th kill and thats that. Like carl posted someone could go kill everything this week and have the #8 kill of stryak and that would matter not the X amount of points to said guild name.


I see your point and agree with it don't get me wrong it does need to be fixed but not now its pointless and probably not until the next NM patch should it be addressed.

I just didn't like you guys complaining it needed to be reworked when suckafish does it for the community and gets nothing but grief in return.

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xBeldin
08.16.2013 , 07:23 PM | #366
Quote: Originally Posted by JDotter View Post
I just didn't like you guys complaining it needed to be reworked when suckafish does it for the community and gets nothing but grief in return.
My first comments were not at all accusatory, in fact I was asking for an update to an open ended statement the OP made about there being a mistake that needed fixing and that a fix was coming. This is grief? I think a few of you have confused my intentions and attitude towards the matter. I actually agree there isn't much point in changing the current sheet but I did want to make sure the point was made so that if this was carried on to new content it could be evolved and improved.
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ancksunamur
08.16.2013 , 09:44 PM | #367
We did invite the community to come and discuss the the spreadsheet. We were even ready to explain it. But no one showed, we even used a neutral mumble, not even a pm. Since you all seem to be the pros take it over like the man said, am sure he would be happy to turn it over to someone who wants to do it. And am sorry to say he who sets it up writes the rules. I mean really is it that big of a deal? I mean really who cares about the points anyways, first is first in the end. We know who the top guilds are. Don't worry it was a conspiracy against your guild to make you look bad smh.
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xBeldin
08.16.2013 , 10:42 PM | #368
Quote: Originally Posted by ancksunamur View Post
Don't worry it was a conspiracy against your guild to make you look bad smh.
Nice implication there. Totally missing the point here guys.
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ExarKunxx
08.18.2013 , 06:49 PM | #369
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Iggyemu
08.19.2013 , 06:40 AM | #370
Quote: Originally Posted by xBeldin View Post
No need to get defensive, I appreciate the effort of putting this together and managing it. But for future reference "no one else would do it" is not a free pass from scrutiny. You obviously understand the responsibility of doing this and if the questions are annoying you can not do it. I know I'm not volunteering myself and if I did I can guarantee I'd screw it up. Keep up the good work it is appreciated.
Wasn't getting the defensive or dodging scrutiny. All I am saying is that we cannot come up with a system that pleases everyone. The 8-man guild community is much larger than the 16. In 16 you need to please at most 6 or 7 guilds. For 8 its 20. And that's just not possible.

My point is that Suckafish is not the official 8-man progression ranking guild. If anyone has a better system and wants to implement it for the next round of progression, you are welcomed to it. Just let us know beforehand so we don't put one together ourselves.
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