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Sith ... They are misunderstood.

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Sith ... They are misunderstood.

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MorgothPl
07.20.2013 , 01:31 AM | #31
In "Dawn of the Jedi" comic series, the Sith are not yet evil. Some of them lived on Tython and helped forming the Jedi order, so they were not the evil mirderers from the start.

Now for Luke and dark side - he also turned dark to stop Palpatine reborn, and came back to light with help of Leia.
There is also Quinlan Voss, who walked the path between light and dark. There is Cade Skywalker who was doing the same, until he finally went light, but to the very last moment of Legacy series was more dark side.

I'd not call Qui-gon true light side Jedi too. He was considered more "grey Jedi ", with breaking some of the teachings and manipulating force to gain what he wanted. I very doubt that Yoda would force the dice roll to get Anakin freed.

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Kyneris
08.04.2013 , 07:44 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by xxforcardassia View Post
I do not agree with this either. The Dark Side is a philosophy, same as the Light Side. There tends to be more of a Machiavellian outlook on life (put simply: more "ends justify the means") when it comes to the Dark Side's ideals. Being more extremely detached from others easily leads to a more "evil" seeming approach to life; Sith (and other Dark Side users) simply get the added benefit of generally being the most self-absorbed *****s you've ever met. But if you ask me, the Dark Side itself is nothing more than an idea (same as the Light Side) neither inherently good or evil.

In the context of this game, look at the Voss. It's said numerous times (especially when playing through as a Pub) that they (the Voss) have their history rooted in the Dark Side and that many relics or ideas dance the line with the Dark Side. Are the Voss evil? No. Arrogant and detached, yes, but not evil.
The Dark Side is not a set of ideals, it a mind-altering, mind-influencing energy field that pushes people in one direction (aggression, heavy emotions etc) rather than the other (peace, serenity). Force-Users don't have the luxury of moral relativism.
"Should we arrive at certainty without doubt and truth without error, it behooves us to place the foundations of knowledge in mathematics." - Roger Bacon
This is Vireth Danea, my Sith OC.

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BacaWicket
08.05.2013 , 04:24 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by MorgothPl View Post
In "Dawn of the Jedi" comic series, the Sith are not yet evil. Some of them lived on Tython and helped forming the Jedi order, so they were not the evil mirderers from the start.

Now for Luke and dark side - he also turned dark to stop Palpatine reborn, and came back to light with help of Leia.
There is also Quinlan Voss, who walked the path between light and dark. There is Cade Skywalker who was doing the same, until he finally went light, but to the very last moment of Legacy series was more dark side.

I'd not call Qui-gon true light side Jedi too. He was considered more "grey Jedi ", with breaking some of the teachings and manipulating force to gain what he wanted. I very doubt that Yoda would force the dice roll to get Anakin freed.
but anikin's midichlornian lvl was off the charts would yoda rather cheat in a bet (like quigon did yoda probably wouldnt) or let the sepratists mop the floor with the republic and the jedi?

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TYBERzan
08.05.2013 , 04:43 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Sarlegant View Post
Yes OP, these are just your opinions, based on re-written history it seems.

Dark Jedi were hunted by the Jedi. Dark Jedi found Korriban, inhabited by Sith Purebloods. Centuries of inter-race relations with Dark Jedi diluted the Sith Purebloods, not this re-written historical holocaust nonsense.

Why not just say you enjoy playing the bad-guy, dressed in black, with lightning bolts, and generally better storylines, instead of making up BS to justify your sociapathic needs.

Sith, an name adopted by the Dark Jedi, are not misunderstood. Newsflash! The Sith did not join the Empire.

Re written? It's established cannon that the jedi went back to korriban, ziost, etc, and annihilated every sith that didn't go with vitiate.
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TYBERzan
08.05.2013 , 04:43 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
The Sith species was shaped by the Dark Side of the Force and so were the teachings of the Sith, it is Darwinism, the Rule of Two is extremist Darwinism.

The Sith are not misunderstood they make their intentions very clear, the dominance of one over all others.
read Dawn of the jedi, everything you say is proven...false.
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ThomasPellaeon
08.06.2013 , 11:25 AM | #36
I felt like this was the perfect time for the worst quote in Sith history!

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!!!"

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Burgdawg
08.06.2013 , 01:06 PM | #37
Dark side = evil. Light side = good. Light side = healthy. Dark side = cancer. No one can draw from both at the same time, you're either tapping one or the other at a given time. That's from Lucas himself. Now shut up about this misunderstood bs. /thread
Mace Windu: "I'm a prophet. I can see the future..." Thug: "Sure you can. What do you see?" Mace Windu: "You. Bleeding." ―Mace Windu and a very unfortunate thug

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xxforcardassia
08.06.2013 , 01:07 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Kyneris View Post
The Dark Side is not a set of ideals, it a mind-altering, mind-influencing energy field that pushes people in one direction (aggression, heavy emotions etc) rather than the other (peace, serenity). Force-Users don't have the luxury of moral relativism.
It's all a set of ideals. Jedi vs Sith, Light vs Dark are all two sides of the same coin. The Force just is. It is neither inherently evil nor good, simply used in one form or another based upon the one welding it. Again, look at my example of the Voss. They are neither Light nor Dark, not Sith or Jedi. They use the Force, and yet they are neutral. Why? Because the Force is not Light or Dark, it's what the user does with it, how they twist it. Therefore each side is what groups (Jedi and Sith, namely) have made of it, what ideal they've created with it, not what it is.

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Kyneris
08.07.2013 , 07:40 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by xxforcardassia View Post
It's all a set of ideals. Jedi vs Sith, Light vs Dark are all two sides of the same coin. The Force just is. It is neither inherently evil nor good, simply used in one form or another based upon the one welding it. Again, look at my example of the Voss. They are neither Light nor Dark, not Sith or Jedi. They use the Force, and yet they are neutral. Why? Because the Force is not Light or Dark, it's what the user does with it, how they twist it. Therefore each side is what groups (Jedi and Sith, namely) have made of it, what ideal they've created with it, not what it is.
Jedi vs Sith is a clash of ideals. Light Side vs. Dark Side is not. The Force isn't neutral or devoid of ethics/morals. It has two very distinct sides, each of them interacts and influences minds differently. The idea that Force (powers) are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them (like Kyle Katarn said) is not an accurate assessment of how the Force works. Kyle Katarn was wrong.

Also, there is no neutral side of the Force. You are either light or dark. There are variations and degrees to which you are light or dark. (Some are 75% Light, 25% Dark, others are 55-45 or 90-10 etc) But you always lean towards one end slightly more than the other. Even Jolee Bindo, the quitessential Grey Jedi was more Light than Dark.

To touch upon the Voss thing: even though their don't entertain the notions of Light or Dark ides (or the Force in general), that doesn't mean that those phenomena don't exist or don't apply to them. The Voss are a cooperative society, they value peace and justice, even though they have (to some of us) weird ways of showing it. This leads me to believe that deep down, most of them are Lightsiders.

To close this off, here's a quote from Luke Skywalker talking to his son:
"There is no room for compromise. We walk the path of the light side, or we fall into darkness. There is no gray area, Ben."
"Should we arrive at certainty without doubt and truth without error, it behooves us to place the foundations of knowledge in mathematics." - Roger Bacon
This is Vireth Danea, my Sith OC.