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What is the point of my $15 a month?

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What is the point of my $15 a month?

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Nyaara
05.13.2013 , 10:46 AM | #211
This is the same old story. If some customers, and not a few we see right now, are coming here cos they think the service is not ok for them, means that something is not working ok.

But on the other side, fanboys just are trying to fill up the holes that angry customers are digging here and so they think the game is ok and the others are wrong and not the company but in the end, if customers leave...the game dies...fanboys cant hold a game by themselves. That´s a fact.

About this thread, i would ilke to throw you a question:

Being a subscriber, what do we get?.

500-600 CCs that is equal to nothing and be able to play a content that was release like a year ago BUT Section X and Ancient Hypergates. Cos even Ilum is closed yet.

Tell me the free content EAware released since F2P was launched?. Is quite easy.

They even released a tiny expansion pack that everyone MUST PAY and they didnt even bothered about the Bolster system which is still broken. But we see loads of stuff for Cartel Market all the time and even tomorrow 2.2 is an exclusive CC patch or emergency patchs to fix CC stuff.

Open your eyes. Dont be stubborn.

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branmakmuffin
05.13.2013 , 10:51 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyaara View Post
Open your eyes. Dont be stubborn.
Your implication is that people who disagree with your assertions are willfully blind, stubborn or both. You fail to accept that there exists the possibility that others see what you see yet do not regard it as a problem.

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Arkerus
05.13.2013 , 11:05 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
What may be a need for you is not necessarily a need for me, and vice versa. You must accept this.

In my own economic behavior, there must be a need to receive some kind of benefit for throwing $15 dollars at a game company, even if it's just $15. You cannot disagree with this because you aren't me, just FYI. I make my own rules on what I need or don't need from my expenditures. Trying to tell me otherwise is pointless.



I'm posting here for the same reasons that George Mallory climbed Mt. Everest. This is just far easier to do than climbing a mountain, and I have the added benefit of not having to pass by the corpses and skeletons of those who came before me. So there's that.



I've already addressed this in previous posts.



You seem to be confused. Perhaps you can take time out from your insisting that I adopt or praise you for your opinions and check out the thread title. I'm posting where appropriate, rather than starting a new thread.

As to your final comment, I've already abandoned PVP there because it's most certainly Pay-to-Win. Since I have an LTS, I can play or leave as I wish, and what I'll be returning to do is play the new PVE content. When that's done, I'll probably be letting that go dormant again as well. That was not, however, the only game that I mentioned.

As to the other game I mentioned, I know there won't be a gear stat. It's a simulator. No amount of AI augmentation to a ship's systems is going to outmaneuver a skilled pilot and dogfighting skills. You can buy the biggest ship you can get, but if you can't fly it and you can't fight with it, I'll be looting your cargo for profit. Over and out.
No one needs anything except food, clothing and shelter.

When your expected value exceeds your sub fee, you are more than welcome to make an adult decision and stay or move on.

We all do it everyday. That's how it works.

Coming into the forums to make remarks or criticize a design choice is one thing. Demanding more for your sub is not productive nor will it change anything. Trying make a point that your sub SHOUD do this or that is irrelevant when bioware basically makes the rules. We have a general idea that we won't ever be charged extra for gameplay content. This does not extend to models, customizations, fluff items.

Those are the rules. Constructive comments usually don't get a lot of backlash. Whining about your sub fee and demanding it be used for xyz is unnecessary.
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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 11:05 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Fame and glory? You're gonna come up a wee bit short.
Mallory's answer to the question "Why did you climb Mount Everest" was:
"Because it's there."

The rest of your post is irrelevant and deserves no response.
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Pagy
05.13.2013 , 11:11 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyaara View Post
This is the same old story. If some customers, and not a few we see right now, are coming here cos they think the service is not ok for them, means that something is not working ok.

But on the other side, fanboys just are trying to fill up the holes that angry customers are digging here and so they think the game is ok and the others are wrong and not the company but in the end, if customers leave...the game dies...fanboys cant hold a game by themselves. That´s a fact.

About this thread, i would ilke to throw you a question:

Being a subscriber, what do we get?.

500-600 CCs that is equal to nothing and be able to play a content that was release like a year ago BUT Section X and Ancient Hypergates. Cos even Ilum is closed yet.

Tell me the free content EAware released since F2P was launched?. Is quite easy.

They even released a tiny expansion pack that everyone MUST PAY and they didnt even bothered about the Bolster system which is still broken. But we see loads of stuff for Cartel Market all the time and even tomorrow 2.2 is an exclusive CC patch or emergency patchs to fix CC stuff.

Open your eyes. Dont be stubborn.
i dont understand how people think their sub pays for ccs and not this...

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

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Andryah
05.13.2013 , 11:15 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by JediJonesJr View Post
who the hell are you to judge paying subs on their complaints who died and made you the official spokesperson for bw/ea i understand being a fanboy some feel it is their responsibility to defend but why don't you back off people and let them vent without your sarcastic comments.
1) I am neither judge nor jury on the topic.

2) I can post my opinions on the matter just like everyone else.

3) you did not answer my question, you attacked me personally instead. Clearly you are uncomfortable when people disagree with you in public.

4) at least you owned up to the fact that your purpose was to vent... and therefore nothing constructive. And I believe I covered "venting" as one of the reasons people complain in my post which you are complaining about now.
sayonara SWTOR. I will miss the game, I will miss many players, I will NOT miss being lied to and deceived. I will not miss rookie level mistakes of epic proportions.

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Kubernetic
05.13.2013 , 11:35 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
No one needs anything except food, clothing and shelter.

When your expected value exceeds your sub fee, you are more than welcome to make an adult decision and stay or move on.

We all do it everyday. That's how it works.

Coming into the forums to make remarks or criticize a design choice is one thing. Demanding more for your sub is not productive nor will it change anything. Trying make a point that your sub SHOUD do this or that is irrelevant when bioware basically makes the rules. We have a general idea that we won't ever be charged extra for gameplay content. This does not extend to models, customizations, fluff items.

Those are the rules. Constructive comments usually don't get a lot of backlash. Whining about your sub fee and demanding it be used for xyz is unnecessary.
Your definition of "needs" is far more strict than mine. And I won't be adopting yours. My needs for food, shelter and clothing are already met—which is why I have the leisure time to play a game in the first place—so I have already progressed up the line in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow'...archy_of_needs

You may consider my "needs" in regards to this game as encompassing the need for security of resources and property, need for self-esteem, and the need to accept facts. Namely, that I have a need to make sure that if I'm spending money on something, that I am experiencing a valid return on investment for that expenditure (otherwise it's better to reserve those resources or apply them elsewhere), that I have a need to know that I have the power to control my own destiny (however small it may seem in regard to this game of amusement), to change my situation when I feel it's appropriate, and finally that I must accept the fact that the time has come to execute this change.

As to the remedy of fixing the problem, I've already sent my full message to BioWare for their review, and took the adult path and cancelled my subscription 21 days ago, but thanks for the lecture. Preesh!

I have demanded nothing. I've made no threats of trying to recover spent funds. have simply stated my desired fixes for what I feel is missing from the game and stated the conditions as to what BioWare can do to recover my monthly subscription fee and monthly spend for Coins. You may have me confused with other posters.

I've already mentioned elsewhere in the thread that I've already spent some $350 on Cartel Coins since the launch of the CM, and I bought the Makeb expansion, so I'm not sure where you think you're accurate in terms of telling me that I believe I don't have to pay for anything extra. What I didn't buy the Makeb expansion for, however, was to watch them destroy the gear stat in the sets of PVP armor that I had collected over the past months from grinding out warzone commendations. Eric Musco has already admitted in previous posts that because of the way their PVP system is broken, they had to make an either-or decision as to keep the stupid gear stat for Open World PVP and have Warzone PVP suffer, or to strip the gear stat and let Open World PVP suffer in order to fix Warzone PVP.

The sad thing is they could have had a 10-29 bracket, a 30-49 bracket, and a 50-55 bracket for regular PVP, while restricting Ranked PVP to 55 only, and then wouldn't have had to strip the gear stat, and I wouldn't have been made instantly vulnerable in Black Hole and other dailies areas where I wanted that PVP armor for to begin with to keep from getting unceremoniously ganked by Imperials.

They could have also just stripped the gear stat entirely from all armors, and forced everyone to the same level of attributes in order to completely equalize PVP and relegate it to a game of skill and strategy rather than who has the most time to spend the most hours in-game to min/max their toon, with just a wee bit of skill and strategy added in.

They could have also implemented several Warzone quitter changes, such as selectively freezing an opposing player whenever the other team loses a player due to a quitter, or could have just added in a number to the nameplate that shows how many Warzones you've quitted over your entire legacy so that we, the players, could take care of quitters ourselves. I also made specific suggestions as to which Warzones were the worst for quitters, and why, due to the ability to do an instant opener that demoralizes the other team and leads to en masse quits. The response we got? Sorry guys, you don't know what you're talking about, only Civil War has a quitter problem.

I've made plenty of constructive comments, in this thread and others, and the backlash is there anyway. But thanks for the vote of encouragement? I guess?
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Nyaara
05.13.2013 , 11:37 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by Pagy View Post
i dont understand how people think their sub pays for ccs and not this...

http://www.swtor.com/free/features
Here is where you fail, where you are not able to undestand that SwTor was designed to be a monthly sub game and they are trying to convince you that now is a F2P game but its not, is an hybrid model.

They are still surviving about content they SOLD a year ago before F2P. Just see a video about Cathar, Section X, Hypergates, Makeb etc and was designed to be as a free updates.

Customers wonder where the HELL is the new content and why the HELL they dont fix the content they SOLD out Cartel Market like the PvP that is absolutely broken right now (55 warzones).

And you keep this in mind, if customers leave, servers get empty and everyone gets hurst. So, if you like the gamem, just listen.

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Sarielle
05.13.2013 , 01:30 PM | #219
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Need: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I think you're confusing it with reed. Or seed. Or peed. Or weed. Because it's spelled similarly. (See how stupid that comeback of yours was earlier?) At least wait a few days before you recycle someone else's jab. Sheesh.

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DarthTHC
05.13.2013 , 01:39 PM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by Pagy View Post
holy entitlement complex.

the subscription gives you A LOT. DOn't believe me? Cancel it and try to play the game. The free version is very restricted.

you feel youre entitled to more than what is promised. That's okay. If you don't feel its worth 15$ you can cancel it and use the f2p version or quit. you can't dictate what you should receive based on want you want.
This is exactly what good consumers should do, and good companies should listen to them.

Not dictate, so much, but absolutely good consumers should ask companies for what they want. All the time. Especially if they feel they're not getting the value they expect.

Why?

The alternative is that a customer becomes a former customer. This is disappointing for the customer because they're left unsatisfied. This is disappointing for the company because they lose revenue.

Of course, unreasonable requests and such could happen, and it's up to the company to figure out what they can do to make their customers happy while making a reasonable profit.

The best way to figure out what you can do to make your customers happy is to *gasp* listen to them! (And interpret what they're saying they want vs. what they really want because those are frequently actually different things...)