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The Doomed Sith Empire


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Bleeters
04.27.2013 , 05:57 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaisernick View Post
yes after re watching it it seems the dark council was manipulated into doing it by other (ie minister of war and other military officials) but the message you get from hunter seems to imply that they had a hand in its dissolving.
Well, yeah. I wasn't trying to suggest the Star Cabal wasn't involved, but the Sith ultimately made the decision even if they were doubtless unaware that they were being used. They still wanted to disband intelligence, and had wanted to for some time according to the minister of intelligence. The Cabal just pushed at a door that was already ajar.

I suppose we could speculate that maybe the Sith were decieved into believing intelligence was far more inept than it really was via false information, and there's probably some truth to that. But they didn't exactly waste any time picking it apart for the resources and manpower they've long coveted to assimilate into their own power structures.

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Highborne
04.28.2013 , 12:19 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Bleeters View Post
Well, yeah. I wasn't trying to suggest the Star Cabal wasn't involved, but the Sith ultimately made the decision even if they were doubtless unaware that they were being used. They still wanted to disband intelligence, and had wanted to for some time according to the minister of intelligence. The Cabal just pushed at a door that was already ajar.

I suppose we could speculate that maybe the Sith were decieved into believing intelligence was far more inept than it really was via false information, and there's probably some truth to that. But they didn't exactly waste any time picking it apart for the resources and manpower they've long coveted to assimilate into their own power structures.
Darth Marr explicitly did not agree with the dissolution of Imperial Intelligence (Makeb IA intro), and he seems to be taking a front seat now. This is the single biggest thing working in the Empire's favour right now:

The Council members who are more interested in their own plots and who will abuse Imperial resources for their personal gain are now gone.

Thanaton (who pitted his own & Republic troops against the SI's followers): gone.
Baras (who was plotting to usurp the role of Voice and sent mercenaries against other Imperial forces): gone.
Karrid (who was quite happy to blow up an Imperial fleet to get rid of her rival) : gone.

The ones who are left (Mortis, Ravage, Marr and Vowrawn of the old guard, for instance) are far more sane in how they rule an Empire. I predict that the infighting within Imperial ranks and the accompanying policy confusion will scale back a lot. And if anything will save the Empire, it's that more than any other single factor. Forget isotope-5 - it's a gimmick. How it's used makes all the difference, and the signs on that front are good.

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ShiroIchida
04.28.2013 , 09:21 PM | #43
Regarding the implausibility of a small, isolated, low-population Empire managing to take gigantic swathes of Republic territory, consider Japan and China during the Second Sino-Japanese War. Japan managed to capture huge amounts of land during the war, and if neither Russia nor the United States had moved against Japan, it stood a reasonable chance of keeping it.

In fact, the situation seems very similar. At the beginning of the war, China was basically unprepared, and did not have large stockpiles of advanced weapons (armor, planes) nor the means to produce them. Likewise, the Republic at the start of the conflict had been at peace for an extended period of time and was not on a war footing. China was huge, to the extent that it proved impossible for Japan to assign forces to the countryside and stop Chinese guerrilla fighters. The Republic has so many planets that it's impossible for the Empire to station troops on all of them and pacify them. China adopted a strategy of attrition, having a population far in excess of that of Japan. The Republic has a much, much larger population than the Empire and will win a war of attrition. China and Japan eventually reached a stalemate. The Republic and the Empire, before the game started, also basically stalemated.

Of course World War II ended with a nuke, while I'm not exactly expecting the Republic to end the conflict by blowing up Droumand Kass. But if they did it would be hilarious!

My point is it's not that outrageous for a tiny Empire to beat the snot out of a huge country. Integrating all the territory they took into a functioning Empire? Probably impossible for Japan, even if they could have gotten a treaty...much like the Sith Empire, actually.

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ekimmak
04.28.2013 , 09:52 PM | #44
Another victory for the empire was on Quesh, don't forget.

Even on the republic side, the guy in charge admits "We've lost Quesh". All you do is make sure that you don't lose one of the few allies you have and take down the sith running the operation in the process.
On the other hand, this planet is said to be what starts the next war, so you could argue that the victory here backfired on them.
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Nyysjan
04.29.2013 , 03:14 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by mrdrsenorpeanut View Post
You can't trash talk George Lucas when you are on a game that came about because of him...kinda dumb if you ask me....
Why not?
Lucas is not a perfect being with no flaws, nor is Star Wars, as he envisioned it, a perfect gem that can never be improved upon, or without blemise.
Human high Culture was always, in my opinion, a rather stupid idea, and that it only came about as an asspull to explain George Lucas being petty about some rules he was forced to follow, makes it all the more facepalm worthy.
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Arkonor
04.29.2013 , 07:28 PM | #46
There should be parallel story lines. If you are playing in the republic, the republic wins, otherwise, the empire wins

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YoshiRaphElan
04.29.2013 , 08:26 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkonor View Post
There should be parallel story lines. If you are playing in the republic, the republic wins, otherwise, the empire wins
But there has to be one canon, so that wouldn't work.

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BradTheImpaler
04.29.2013 , 09:49 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Projawa View Post
Yep. To the OP: the Emperor is "presumed dead" by the Republic. His spirit is alive and recovering. I bet he'll return in a future xpack and the Republic will have egg on its face after publicly announcing they took him out (see end of Makeb storyline).
W00T! My thread got necroed! Also, spoiler alert!
Anywho, yeah, I understand he may or may not come back, which I why I said "gone", not "dead"...but it sure seems like he's out of the picture for the foreseeable future, and frankly I like where the Empire's going with Darth Marr. Vitiate was the Pubs' ultimate propaganda tool.

As for the Atlas Shrugged comment...lolwut?
Maybe if the Sith left and tried to form some "paradise" of the "superior", only to realize they could get nothing done without their slaves and subsequently starved to death, while the slaves took over and founded an autonomous cooperative society!

It's definitely gonna be a series of ups and downs, but we may still see one or the other side lose this war before the end, and see a new period of rebuilding. Maybe some kind of internal rebellion in the Republic. Who knows?
In the Imperial Army, it takes more courage to retreat than to advance.

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sithgreyguard
05.01.2013 , 12:40 PM | #49
Empire won makeb yay. now what to do with isotope 5.

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stormdrakelord
05.01.2013 , 01:14 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by sithgreyguard View Post
Empire won makeb yay. now what to do with isotope 5.
1) Figure out how Toborro turned it into fuel and replicate without deaths
2) Build massive Droids that run on it
3) Terrorize your enemies
4) Get butt handed by some Republic hero who gets lucky and blows your stockpile of droids to kingdom come.
Han Solo: Great, kid. Don't get cocky.