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It's Really Sad to See TCW Be Cancelled

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It's Really Sad to See TCW Be Cancelled

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03.27.2013 , 03:50 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurokage View Post
I'd actually say the opposite, that some arcs descended into childishness while most of them dealt with far more mature themes. [...]

In my opinion, TCW actually outshines the entire Prequel Trilogy. It appears at first to be your average children's show, especially during the first couple seasons or during specific episodes, but peel away the layers and you find a lot of complex themes running through the series, not to mention the fact that it starts growing much darker later on. While I do agree that there's only so many stories they can tell before they reach the events of ROTS, I would like them to at least wrap up the dangling plot threads before they move on.

I can only blame Disney for the cancellation, since I'm sure they want to move on and have all of their new media, be they shows, books, comics, or whatever else, tie in with the new Star Wars movies. But they could have at least allowed one last season to wrap everything up, especially since the show was doing really well and they left a lot of threads dangling. I hope the "bonus content" they've mentioned will wrap everything up without making it seem rushed...
Disney is probably trying to walk the line between respecting the loyalty of fans of TCW and also making practical business decisions. They have limited resources with which to produce Episode VII on schedule, it's only two years out, they're going to need to start moving heaven and earth to get the special effects and postproduction resources lined up and ready so that filming can start, probably near the end of the year or early 2014.

Their decision to trim down the animation staff assigned to TCW likely represents some of that shifting focus. I could reasonably expect to see at least the major plotlines wrapped up in special episodes down the road, assuming the fan response is strong enough that Disney hears the message.
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03.27.2013 , 04:07 PM | #42
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Umm lets see? SENSE? Does it make sense at ALL that a man cut COMPLETELY in half, disembowled should be able to live?

Even with the force, sorry I don't believe ANY force user could survive that, not even Luke Skywalker at his strongest level I think could survive that!
Fair enough, that is a little far fetched. However, if we just accept that this was a special ability of Maul, like Sion's refusal to die, and that he's a hate fueled vengeance machine sworn to get revenge on Kenobi, it could work. Once he kills Kenobi, he would probably die as his hatred dissipated and he was able to gain some measure of peace with the Force.

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And the pacifist mandos? Goes against EVERYTHING that mandos EVER stood for. Even Kal skirrata would of dropped dead in shock. Canderous would of killed them all, and don't get me started on Mandalore the Ultimate.

Want to have a splinter off of mando culture, concordia dawn or where ever jango and Jaaster mereel were from would of worked. Least they'd be MANDO.

Sorry to me, they are not mandos. Not even close. To call them that, is flat out disrespect to EVERY writer who has EVER done mando culture.
You're actually a testament to the fact that the writers of those story arcs knew exactly what they were doing. The fact that they've elicited this emotional response from you makes the motivations of the Death Watch very believable. It's just good writing to introduce this kind of variation and conflict into Mandalorian culture. I'm sure if you asked any of the writers who worked with the Mandalorians (even Travesty) and they would agree that it's an interesting dynamic.
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03.27.2013 , 05:28 PM | #43
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Fair enough, that is a little far fetched. However, if we just accept that this was a special ability of Maul, like Sion's refusal to die, and that he's a hate fueled vengeance machine sworn to get revenge on Kenobi, it could work. Once he kills Kenobi, he would probably die as his hatred dissipated and he was able to gain some measure of peace with the Force.



You're actually a testament to the fact that the writers of those story arcs knew exactly what they were doing. The fact that they've elicited this emotional response from you makes the motivations of the Death Watch very believable. It's just good writing to introduce this kind of variation and conflict into Mandalorian culture. I'm sure if you asked any of the writers who worked with the Mandalorians (even Travesty) and they would agree that it's an interesting dynamic.
1. Sion was not hacked literally into two pieces. He just took enough physical trauma that would fell a normal being.

2. I completely disagree that it was good writing. Death Watch on one hand was done well from the episode or two i saw. But I just refuse to call them real mandalorians. Again like i said, it's like disarming Samurai and making them pacifists. And being lead by a duchess who is NOT mando? No that is just TOO far out there. I could again see a mando female who lead a split off who doesn't wear the beskar'gam and wanted peace, but a DUCHESS? Sorry that's again taking the stories i had liked that were already written about the ear and just taking a big huge dump on them.

IMO there is retconning to make things make sense like Asaj Ventress. But a lot of the rest of it, no, just HELL no. You want to consider it cannon, it can be an alternate cannon. IMO it does NOT replace books like Medstar, or Clone commando books, or Dark Rendezvous.
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03.27.2013 , 06:15 PM | #44
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1. Sion was not hacked literally into two pieces. He just took enough physical trauma that would fell a normal being.

2. I completely disagree that it was good writing. Death Watch on one hand was done well from the episode or two i saw. But I just refuse to call them real mandalorians. Again like i said, it's like disarming Samurai and making them pacifists. And being lead by a duchess who is NOT mando? No that is just TOO far out there. I could again see a mando female who lead a split off who doesn't wear the beskar'gam and wanted peace, but a DUCHESS? Sorry that's again taking the stories i had liked that were already written about the ear and just taking a big huge dump on them.

IMO there is retconning to make things make sense like Asaj Ventress. But a lot of the rest of it, no, just HELL no. You want to consider it cannon, it can be an alternate cannon. IMO it does NOT replace books like Medstar, or Clone commando books, or Dark Rendezvous.
I believe the duchess was a Mandalorian at one point, her sister remained with Death Watch. However, the peaceful Mandalorians are still Mandalorians, they're just rejected by more "hardline nationalist" Mandos. It's exactly like disarming Samurai and making them pacifists. But that's a good thing.

Look at post WW2 Japan. You have a culture that lives and breathes warfare in the name of the Emperor, two generations were raised to fight and die without hesitation. They get rofl-stomped by the USA and their entire country is basically reduced to ashes.

From there, they disarm and their entire cultural perspective begins to shift and undergo major changes. The Mandalorians are similar to this, we see that Mandalore has been heavily bombarded and the Mandalorians have just been clobbered for far too long in warfare. As a reaction to this, a segment of their population adopts different viewpoints and rejects the warrior culture of the past.

This story development is not only grounded in historical realities, but helps to develop the Mandalorians into something more than a cardboard cutout villain that pops up to attack the Republic periodically. You see dynamic change in their culture.
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03.27.2013 , 07:55 PM | #45
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I believe the duchess was a Mandalorian at one point, her sister remained with Death Watch. However, the peaceful Mandalorians are still Mandalorians, they're just rejected by more "hardline nationalist" Mandos. It's exactly like disarming Samurai and making them pacifists. But that's a good thing.

Look at post WW2 Japan. You have a culture that lives and breathes warfare in the name of the Emperor, two generations were raised to fight and die without hesitation. They get rofl-stomped by the USA and their entire country is basically reduced to ashes.

From there, they disarm and their entire cultural perspective begins to shift and undergo major changes. The Mandalorians are similar to this, we see that Mandalore has been heavily bombarded and the Mandalorians have just been clobbered for far too long in warfare. As a reaction to this, a segment of their population adopts different viewpoints and rejects the warrior culture of the past.

This story development is not only grounded in historical realities, but helps to develop the Mandalorians into something more than a cardboard cutout villain that pops up to attack the Republic periodically. You see dynamic change in their culture.
I can see what you are saying, but in the context of the follow-on 3 movies and books, it makes NO SENSE.

I guess I am just to wedded to the EU books and consider them a good cannon on where Star Wars has gone.

Though i think the next 3 movies are going to completely crap upon the EU books and i think i am going to be quickly alienated from SW sadly.
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03.27.2013 , 08:27 PM | #46
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They get rofl-stomped by the USA and their entire country is basically reduced to ashes.
Yeah, that's not what happened.
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03.27.2013 , 10:18 PM | #47
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I can see what you are saying, but in the context of the follow-on 3 movies and books, it makes NO SENSE.

I guess I am just to wedded to the EU books and consider them a good cannon on where Star Wars has gone.

Though i think the next 3 movies are going to completely crap upon the EU books and i think i am going to be quickly alienated from SW sadly.
I think the next trilogy is going to process and absorb what exists of the EU and keep some while overwriting a lot of stuff. Plotlines will change heavily, but I doubt they'll just erase everything.

I also don't see what you're saying about how the context of the movies makes no sense. Are we just talking about the Mandalorians here? Because they don't feature in Episodes III-VI at all.

I understand that you appreciate the books of the EU, and they create a lot of great content, but you have to accept that those writers are just contributing ideas to Lucas' vision of Star Wars and that it's up to LucasFilm to organize and ultimately make those ideas a coherent part of canon, especially that close to the films.
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03.27.2013 , 10:26 PM | #48
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Yeah, that's not what happened.
Two atom bombs and enough napalm to drown a sarlaac? I'd say it's close enough.
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03.28.2013 , 12:23 PM | #49
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You're actually a testament to the fact that the writers of those story arcs knew exactly what they were doing. The fact that they've elicited this emotional response from you makes the motivations of the Death Watch very believable. It's just good writing to introduce this kind of variation and conflict into Mandalorian culture. I'm sure if you asked any of the writers who worked with the Mandalorians (even Travesty) and they would agree that it's an interesting dynamic.
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03.28.2013 , 01:15 PM | #50
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Two atom bombs and enough napalm to drown a sarlaac? I'd say it's close enough.
The one thousand islands of Japan is a bit bigger than you give it credit for. We never touched Honshu or Kyushu, for instance.
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