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Why SWTOR is not successfull

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geschmonz
03.04.2013 , 05:24 PM | #1
Well, i think there are some things bioware did wrong, but the most interesting part is focusing the blood of online games: the casual gamers.

You did not add a raid finder, because hardcore gamers didnt like it. You did not add a good dungeon finder at start, because hardcore gamers didnt like it.

You are listening to the forums way too much which are being crowded mainly by nolifers, who would like the game for themself and noone else. You targeted the complete wrong audience from the start.

Today i am going to cancel my subscription. And i dont think i will ever return, as your politics in this game and your targets are just quite wrong.
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theUndead
03.04.2013 , 06:39 PM | #2
I'm sorry what?

The days of old school mmos are gone. Most players are the casual crowd as such Bioware wanted to target them which for the most is the correct thing to do in this climate of gaming. For this reason am not sure what you mean when you say they should not have targeted them. Also they may not have added the GF in the beginning but at least we did get in the end doesn't that count for something?

Listening to the forums too much? Really? So listening to the player base through their offical channels is considered a determinate to you?

Now I agree to the politics thing to a extent. However, I still believe that with the upcoming expansion and the revenue generated by the CM the game will improve. That does not mean I am blind to the faults, Classes too powerful, stability bugs etc. Yet in spite of all that I am still enjoying myself.

But at this very moment (not sure about the future) the game is far from a failure.
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As theUndead mentioned, I can't exactly spell out all of our policies in depth, but that should hopefully cover your concerns.

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Stoicraven
03.04.2013 , 09:12 PM | #3
i can't even understand this post.........something about blood and casual gamers......wait can i have your stuff?

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TheBBP
03.05.2013 , 12:42 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Stoicraven View Post
i can't even understand this post.........something about blood and casual gamers......wait can i have your stuff?
I read the whole post. I get his stuff.
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Rabenschwinge
03.05.2013 , 02:28 AM | #5
I am kind of a hardcore casual gamer, if you please.

I don't like the speed tanking in most recent flashpoints, avoiding every single enemy that can possibly be avoided (that doesn't mean I won't play along). I don't like the systematic approach you need in Operations, using only a tiny fraction of your abilities to overcome a well known enemy with well trained routines. Challenges I really enjoy is really soloing the dailies on Belsavis by not leaving any enemy alive or doing a difficult heroic 4 with one role - say the healer - missing, the team adapting to the situation and use all their abilities, even those they usually would not, to make up for it.

I've done my share of raiding in a raiding guild, trained, improved, learned how things are done. But ultimately didn't come to enjoy that kind of play.

That said: I don't think it really makes sense to play an Operation with a pick up group. Operations are designed in a way that it requires coordination, responsibility, complete understanding of the situation up in front, and leaders who know the weakness of their players and push them the right way. It's simply not a casual thing, it requires dedication, preparation and integrating into raiding guild.

Of course it might be possible to steam roll the Eternity Vault or Karraga's Palace with seriously overgeared characters - as long as you get the Pylons figured out without team speak, Ventrilo or Mumble.

If you're a casual gamer the play style intended by Bioware is levelling the eight classes and maybe do exploration stuff - find all the datachrons, uncover all maps, things like that. Operations are meant for hardcore gamers who approach the game entirely different.

Makeb is something that is made for casual gamers, the hardcore gamers sure don't like the five extra levels.
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Ad-Astra
03.05.2013 , 02:47 AM | #6
Wrong, it is successful, as many people play it and will continue to do so, as your leaving or have left already, then your just one player whom folk won't miss, just play the game and enjoy the ride, it's STARWARS!!, all other mmo's are copies of what's been before , dungeon master, elves, dwarves, warriors magicians etc, we get to play with concussion missiles, lasers, light sabres, what's not to like, bring on 2.0. Cannae wait.

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SilentKitty
03.05.2013 , 04:53 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
I read the whole post. I get his stuff.
Ha ha ha coffee all over my keyboard. I should get his stuff to buy a new one, lol.

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Esail
03.05.2013 , 06:29 AM | #8
Ehh, I wanted to ask him for his gear. I'm too late I guess

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sergos
03.05.2013 , 06:44 AM | #9
Who says that the game is not succesfull?

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CrazyCanukk
03.05.2013 , 07:09 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by geschmonz View Post
Well, i think there are some things bioware did wrong, but the most interesting part is focusing the blood of online games: the casual gamers.

You did not add a raid finder, because hardcore gamers didnt like it. You did not add a good dungeon finder at start, because hardcore gamers didnt like it.

You are listening to the forums way too much which are being crowded mainly by nolifers, who would like the game for themself and noone else. You targeted the complete wrong audience from the start.

Today i am going to cancel my subscription. And i dont think i will ever return, as your politics in this game and your targets are just quite wrong.

Whats with this "casual gamer" thing people are on..sheesh.

Unless you get Paid to play video games full time or have no life outside of video games and do nothing all day BUT play video games..

I have bad news for you OP..

Your Casual like the rest of us.

and until playing video games pays my mortgage, puts food on the table, gas in my tank, pays for my insurance policies, taxes,etc etc etc or at the very least pays for the internet connection i use to play it with..then I will always be "casual" ..


( note: i am NOT aiming the "no life" comment to those with any physical or other difficulties that they have no control over and their enjoyment and contact with others is Via video games because their situations may keep them housebound)