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Same gender romance discussion

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Same gender romance discussion
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Ilakubala
01.28.2013 , 02:24 AM | #51
Am I the only one to think it strange to have so much discussion over same gender romance but no mention of inter-species romance? Why should one be such a big thing while the other passes unnoticed?

As romance can be ignored (just don't pick flirt), why not make every option available? Oh, yes, aside from popularity, there's legality. Except that this is fiction, so doing whatever within a game isn't the same as doing whatever in real life. So why not make every option available, if the relevant (flirt) conversation choices are picked, because all the animations are the same, you just need the voiceovers? m/m m/f f/f human/wookie human/droid (!)

I'm only starting, of course. My opinions might differ once I've played more and seen what unfolds. Which options I've picked so far depend entirely on the character and my imagined personality for him or her. My rather proper and very dedicated female Jedi never flirts. My male smuggler flirts with anything female (much to the amusement of my RL partner). If I ever play a character who would go for same-gender romance, then it'd be nice to have that option available. Maybe I'm odd in trying to roleplay on a roleplay server in a multiplayer roleplaying game, though...

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Anglvamp
01.28.2013 , 03:43 AM | #52
There isn't much discussion of inter-species romances because they already exist in the game. I have a female twi'lek, plenty of flirts with humans already. My ratataki agent had the quickest FTB scene I have seen yet, wasn't even level 5.

Granted, these are only between the human-in-rubber-mask alien races, so there could be room for improvement, not trying to dismiss this, just saying that they do exist in one form.

I agree with SirGladiator and I think this is a perfect example of how it should have been done. The option is there, so no one really says much about it. If only they had done the same thing with SGRs, there would have been barely a word said.

Though, there is a part of me that remembers the saying "There's no such thing as bad press" and wonders if BW/EA did it this way to get more press mentions. *shrugs*

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amnie
01.28.2013 , 04:45 AM | #53
maybe they were implimenting this later on purpose figuring out the 'nay sayer' would have left by then anyway because they were bored of the game? lol

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Zandilar
01.28.2013 , 06:23 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by SirGladiator View Post
Its actually kind've funny, in an ironic sort of way, how all the stereotypes and generalizing done by anyone playing the game is done 'because' of the way things have been handled. My mind keeps going back to Skyrim, because its part of a series that I always enjoyed, it was never one of my favorites but the games were reasonably fun, and when I played the most recent version I had no idea that they had romances at all (none of the previous ones did), much less that my female character could marry a female NPC. Thats because it wasn't a big deal, you could romance anybody you wanted, it made things easier for the programmers and more fun for the players, it was a win-win for everybody. The fact that they took the exact opposite approach in SWTOR is the reason why people are complaining way more about way less now. In Skyrim, literally every romancable NPC's sexual preference was whatever you wanted it to be. Nobody complained, because everybody had things their own way. Here, all the NPC's were set to straight-only, and now suddenly they're adding a certain number (higher or lower than 2 we dont even know) who aren't straight-only, and it generates controversy. There would've been no controversy if it had been done Skyrim/DA style all along, people would've realized that everybody was getting exactly what they wanted, and it wouldnt have been a big deal. If they finally came out and announced 'We're going to give everyone what they want, we're going the Skyirim/DA2 route from here on in' and let us romance all the characters that everybody else can already romance, there'd be a day or two where a few people would complain, then it'd be back to business as usual, that would be the end of it. Instead they're dragging this whole thing out, little by little, pretty much manufacturing and then maximizing the controversy, all while giving us about as little as they possibly can, for no logical reason whatsoever. It's long past time that they finally did the right, and logical, thing and brought the romances up to the Skyrim/DA standards, its easy enough to do, and everybody wins.
Not every NPC in Skyrim is amenable to marriage (notice I said marriage, not romance - honestly there's no romance to speak of in the game*). In fact, only a select number of NPCs are available, and those are all "Amulet of Mara"-sexual. As far as I can remember, all of the paired NPCs you see are heterosexual, though. The implication of the way marriages work in Skyrim is that there are a lot more bisexual people there than there are on Earth, but the majority are still heterosexual. Nords, in particular, take a practical approach to romance and marriage, and will take it where they can get it due to the harsh nature of the land - at least that was my understanding of the in game explanation (though I suppose it could just be that the Dragonborn him/herself is an extra special snowflake that everyone's attracted to). I don't think the other races outside of Skyrim would be quite like that, if Skyrim's dweller's seeming propensity towards bisexuality is not just extra special Dragonborn pheromones, though it is possible to play whatever race (of Tamriel) you like in Skyrim and marry in the fashion of the Nords.

* Except
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(Lastly, people did kick up a stink about gay marriage in Skyrim - it might not have been as loud as the protests over SWTOR, but I think that has to do with the IP SWTOR is based on more than the way the romances were/are going to be implemented. Skyrim wasn't immune to criticism by conservatives/right wing nuts/family values/religious fundamentalists/homophobic idiots just because it was handled in such a subdued/no fuss manner. These same people made a big fuss over DA2 too... And I'm sure they did over DA:O. And even the ME series copped it.)
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SithKoriandr
01.28.2013 , 08:11 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
(Lastly, people did kick up a stink about gay marriage in Skyrim - it might not have been as loud as the protests over SWTOR, but I think that has to do with the IP SWTOR is based on more than the way the romances were/are going to be implemented. Skyrim wasn't immune to criticism by conservatives/right wing nuts/family values/religious fundamentalists/homophobic/leftwing nuts/athiests/basically people of all walks of life and beliefs idiots just because it was handled in such a subdued/no fuss manner. These same people made a big fuss over DA2 too... And I'm sure they did over DA:O. And even the ME series copped it.)
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Kioma
01.28.2013 , 01:33 PM | #56
At the risk of sounding like the party pooper can we please get off the topics of real-world morality, domestic violence, dating protocol and gender roles, so we can get back to talking about SRGAs and SGFPs?
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ganondorq
01.28.2013 , 06:05 PM | #57
after a quick trip to google, i found this about the "no gays in star wars" thing http://kotaku.com/5230325/there-are-...s-in-star-wars that's the original quote i think.

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SithKoriandr
01.28.2013 , 06:25 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by ganondorq View Post
after a quick trip to google, i found this about the "no gays in star wars" thing http://kotaku.com/5230325/there-are-...s-in-star-wars that's the original quote i think.
Interresting read. I can see it from that angle. Who's to say those words aren't in the Star Wars Basic vocabulary? What's to say it doesn't exist in the FANTASY galaxy, far far away? We the players aren't writing the fiction for it. Writers of the FICTIONAL place get to dictate the rules of the setting.

This is of course not the case, as they're adding SGR in Makeb patch, so obviously there is now, but before, that could of been an interresting discussion (if people knew how to be civil in an online discussion, and by the sounds of it no one knew how to stay civil...Im sure there were some though )

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Kioma
01.28.2013 , 07:41 PM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by ganondorq View Post
after a quick trip to google, i found this about the "no gays in star wars" thing http://kotaku.com/5230325/there-are-...s-in-star-wars that's the original quote i think.
Right. So they weren't even saying that gay people don't exist in Star Wars, but that from their perspective the terms don't exist in Star Wars. As SithKoriandr points out above this is BW:A's Star Wars so if anyone would know it'd be them.
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Wittand
01.28.2013 , 11:50 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
I believe it was a developer discussion forum debacle not long after the game launched. Apparently there was a huge (and predictable) argument about how Star Wars should be some kind of bastion of morality (hah) and in the discussion of same gender relationships one of the devs tried to be clever and say, 'There are no gays in Star Wars,' presumably with the aim of stimulating conversation by making people go, 'What? There are no gays in Star Wars? What do you mean?' which would be a valid conversational tactic on a considerably less heated matter so it backfired. Board exploded with vicious arguments and they shut the topic thread down immediately after.

I don't have any links to back that up, though; I'm working on hearsay. If someone actually read it or, better still, can link to it I'd appreciate that enormously.
It was not even a developer, but the community manager who made this statement. I remember that back in the day all EA boards had rather strict obscenity filters. E.g. the Sims3 boards censored the German word for pregnancy because it contains the letters w,a,n and g in that order.