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Sage, the paper dog king of all mmo's!

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Sage, the paper dog king of all mmo's!

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Paelo
01.04.2013 , 09:11 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Altheran View Post
You know, Flanking had a quite impressive radius of effect. 270 degree since it works all the time except when in front. When you play a character with Flanking as well, you could do some circle straffing, as both of you tend to be with Flanking effective. But when you don't have it, and you don't have a way to avoid melee, it shows to be an hindrance.

And when I played with my Witch Elf (why did they never fix suffering), if both me and my opponent were straffing, i was the one who started straffing, most of the times I was able to hit with my positional stun and if I wasn't I couldn't. It meant that when you've been attacked by a Choppa, Slayer, Witch Elf or Witch Hunter, which have attacks to use from the back, there were high chances that they still had the upper hand on you. It was especially risky if you also depend on avoidance.
It was safe to sometimes break the straffing with a little back ped making the opponent in front, and letting you choose when to straf again (and giving you the upper hand).

There are also situations where circle straffing was a plain bad idea : what will happen if as a tank I circle straf around a WH in a group fight ? When I'll be half round, I'll just show my back to all the Bright Wizards and others in the backline and at this point, I could as well dump my shield. I followed the same reasoning if I had to use some 100% avoidance type abilities (except for disruption which works at 360 degree), it is much more effective if nobody's behind me.

And concerning the fact that back ped works only if the opponent let go with it, it's wrong. It's just that you didn't face someone good at it. In a game with collision management, you will never find the back of a peddler who knows what he's doing.


But I think we go a bit too much off-topic.
Eh, I can see this turning into a never ending opinion vs opinion rant. If you're happy using back peddling by all means stick with it, it'll be a cold day in hell before I do.
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Altheran
01.04.2013 , 11:32 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by Paelo View Post
Eh, I can see this turning into a never ending opinion vs opinion rant. If you're happy using back peddling by all means stick with it, it'll be a cold day in hell before I do.
It's your right to not believe me.

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lucianobck
01.05.2013 , 08:29 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Keypek View Post
Well that's obviously not true if it's just one(bla bla bla bla)
Pls just shut up...

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LuciferinDNA
01.08.2013 , 09:23 AM | #54
patch 1.6.2 is out.
I'm done with forum using . Its 100% that BW don't read it.
God bless Gingers

Cheers, have a good journey in SmashWTOR!
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Dasaev
01.08.2013 , 11:59 AM | #55
sage dps is definitly the worst class (on the other side, sage/sorc healer is pretty ok... 4 sec of stunning an opponent means 100% hp restore)... most of those who are not agree are either newbies who didnt play enough sage/sorc, either bad talk people.
yet, for those with sage/sorc chararacters... when is the last time you've done 5000+ crit? or how many of those have you done? (if you succeded every wz doing that, teach us, Master!)
also, when is the last time you won a 1v1 against another class (except sage/sorc) at the same gear lvl? how many 1v1 do you have?
if some of you kids are not yet convinced about the useless sage/sorc dps class (i'm not talking with those who didnt play sage/sorc dps, and yet posting here that sage is op) we can analyze the dps specs, rotation; you tell me what you consider that can work, and i demonstrate that is useless
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Ycoga
01.09.2013 , 10:42 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Dasaev View Post
sage dps is definitly the worst class (on the other side, sage/sorc healer is pretty ok... 4 sec of stunning an opponent means 100% hp restore)... most of those who are not agree are either newbies who didnt play enough sage/sorc, either bad talk people.
yet, for those with sage/sorc chararacters... when is the last time you've done 5000+ crit? or how many of those have you done? (if you succeded every wz doing that, teach us, Master!)
also, when is the last time you won a 1v1 against another class (except sage/sorc) at the same gear lvl? how many 1v1 do you have?
if some of you kids are not yet convinced about the useless sage/sorc dps class (i'm not talking with those who didnt play sage/sorc dps, and yet posting here that sage is op) we can analyze the dps specs, rotation; you tell me what you consider that can work, and i demonstrate that is useless
I consider the 650k i do as sage dps acceptable.

I can defeat anyone 1 on 1 except the very best asassins / carnage maras / PT's on the server.

Here's how: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=573647
Debate away...
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LuciferinDNA
01.09.2013 , 02:19 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Ycoga View Post
I consider the 650k i do as sage dps acceptable.

I can defeat anyone 1 on 1 except the very best asassins / carnage maras / PT's on the server.

Here's how: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=573647
Debate away...
Seems not a bad build, I was always wondering to make an alacrity based Sage..
By the way, the 0.8 TT you can reach just true psychic projection + mental alacrity if I'm not mistaken (so max in every 2 minute for ones) ?
My build has 1000+ power (I don't remember now how much exactly, but I get as much power, as much is possible vs gambling with critic)
I can cast a 7000K + single heal with force mend with this amount of power. Do you think, that its worth to get a full alacrity sett?
I do not bad dmg as well, but can't compare it with my DPS (grav round) commando, what is not even the best dps in the game...
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pudim
01.10.2013 , 05:15 AM | #58
People don't understand tha the Telekinesis tree ISN'T made for pvp, long casts are the doom

Either you have to be very good or you'll suffer hard doing it
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Ycoga
01.10.2013 , 05:29 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by LuciferinDNA View Post
By the way, the 0.8 TT you can reach just true psychic projection + mental alacrity if I'm not mistaken (so max in every 2 minute for ones) ?
Good question. Without mental alac, you'll get between 1.1 and 2.2 seconds - still very fast even without MA, I'm sure you'd agree.

When mental alac kicks in you can get 0.8.

One of the reasons this works is because of psychic projection proccing on a base alac of 20 - 25%.

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I can cast a 7000K + single heal with force mend with this amount of power. Do you think, that its worth to get a full alacrity sett?
Erm, I can't answer that for you; you have your own playstyle!
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I do not bad dmg as well, but can't compare it with my DPS (grav round) commando, what is not even the best dps in the game...
I like alac because its hard to imagine the speed it functions at without actually trying it out. People are not prepared for it and I routinely kill any people after 1 bubblepop and 1 knockback. They just don't expect 5k damage from a sage in 1 GCD (TT + FiB, for example) - and procs occur very often when your TT is so fast.

8k damage, bubblepop, force speed to max range, force potency and TT, 6500 damage. FiB, proc'd MindCrush, TT. Dead. They're still walking towards me after the knocback when they die.
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LuciferinDNA
01.11.2013 , 02:38 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Ycoga View Post
Good question. Without mental alac, you'll get between 1.1 and 2.2 seconds - still very fast even without MA, I'm sure you'd agree.

When mental alac kicks in you can get 0.8.

One of the reasons this works is because of psychic projection proccing on a base alac of 20 - 25%.


Erm, I can't answer that for you; you have your own playstyle!

I like alac because its hard to imagine the speed it functions at without actually trying it out. People are not prepared for it and I routinely kill any people after 1 bubblepop and 1 knockback. They just don't expect 5k damage from a sage in 1 GCD (TT + FiB, for example) - and procs occur very often when your TT is so fast.

8k damage, bubblepop, force speed to max range, force potency and TT, 6500 damage. FiB, proc'd MindCrush, TT. Dead. They're still walking towards me after the knocback when they die.
I will try it for sure , )
Tythonian lvl55 Sage Chlorianhost lvl50 Sage Realpill lvl55 Scoundrel Biologin lvl55 Commando DNA lvl55 Shadow Tardigrade lvl47 Vanguard
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