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So, I just beat the Foundry's end boss....


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SleepyKing
12.10.2012 , 12:00 AM | #21
I get where the OP is coming from. In terms of Star Wars canon, it seems kind of weak that such a legendary figure is brought down by a random squad of mid-level Joes. It doesn't seem like the epic ending that character deserved. I would have almost preferred that the battle be part of a particular class' single player story.

I expect that it will eventually be smoothed over in canon, when Cipher 9, The Champion of the Great Hunt and the other characters are given "official" names and certain story outcomes are bedded down as "what really happened". (Like the way that the light side endings of KOTOR 1 and 2 were eventually made canon, and the Exile's name was settled as Meetra Surik).

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12.10.2012 , 12:30 AM | #22
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I get where the OP is coming from. In terms of Star Wars canon, it seems kind of weak that such a legendary figure is brought down by a random squad of mid-level Joes.
It's important to remember that, even when you're mid-level, you're not average. Right from the start, you're friggin' amazing at what you do: level within the confines of the story represents less of an actual progression of your character's skills and more the temporal progression of your character through their relevant story. It's not like becoming the Champion of the Great Hunt spontaneously makes you a better BH; the title of Champion simply represents you getting *recognized* as being the best damned bounty hunter around, when it's been true for quite a while already.

Mechanics, like level and stats, are abstractions completely separate from the story proper. A good example is the Consular storyline (if you've ever done it) or the Inquisitor storyline. In the former case, you're given the option to perform a ritual numerous times that is supposed to make you substantially weaker with each progressive use yet you never actually get weaker with each progressive use. In the latter, you end up doing something and bites you in the *** and starts pulling you apart, supposedly weakening you substantially. In both cases, if anything, you actually get stronger because your level is increasing while the story effect has no mechanical impact. The weakness is a story concept that is completely separate from the mechanical abstractions of level and actual gameplay effect.

As such, you can't really say that Revan is beaten by a series of mid-level schmucks when, according to the story, Revan is beaten by the combined efforts of the Emperor's Wrath, an ex-slave Sith Lord that killed a Darth as an apprentice, Cipher 9, and the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt. Without the abstraction of an MMO's need for a large number of levels, you wouldn't say, based upon those titles, that any of those people were "mid-level". You'd probably say that they were appropriately high level, based upon their achievements before.
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12.10.2012 , 01:39 AM | #23
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It felt.... wrong? That guy is a legend, how is some level 36 scrub like me able to touch him? This man is one of the greatest of his kind ever, holed up in an unbreachable fortress.... and I just stroll in with 3 people and whoop his ***?
You're about 354 days late.

Yes, Revan is a legend, blah blah, defeated mandalores and armies of the darkside, blah blah. Yes, we all loved him, but he is past his time. (literally)

By the time you face Revan in the Foundry he's a very broken man. Having previsouly collected his companions to face down the Emperor only to be betrayed from within and be forced to watch all his friends including the woman he loved struck down in front of him. If that wasn't enough to break him the Emperor imprisoned Revan within a special prison where the Emperor would walk inside his mind for 300 years and play with it like silly puddy.

Ultimately this leads to his downfall in the Foundry by the 4 villians of the Empire; Warrior, Inquisitor, Agent, and Bounty Hunter.

Though let's not forget that Revan was a powerful force user and if he is dead then he probably will become something like the Jedi Entity since Revan dedicated his life to hunting down and destroying the Emperor, he won't be able to rest in peace knowing he still lives so maybe we may see him again. Only time will tell.
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12.10.2012 , 02:14 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
It's important to remember that, even when you're mid-level, you're not average. Right from the start, you're friggin' amazing at what you do: level within the confines of the story represents less of an actual progression of your character's skills and more the temporal progression of your character through their relevant story. It's not like becoming the Champion of the Great Hunt spontaneously makes you a better BH; the title of Champion simply represents you getting *recognized* as being the best damned bounty hunter around, when it's been true for quite a while already.
I totally agree with your point. Mostly I think it's the randomness that just feels wrong to me, rather than the level (after all, you can do the flashpoint again at 50, and take that as the "proper" version). We don't actually know who killed the guy, because everybody killed him, which leaves me a little unfulfilled as a Star Wars canon nerd. Until there's an official canonical story, it just seems like the story isn't properly ended.

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12.10.2012 , 09:46 AM | #25
Just remember folks, unless you cut the HEAD off, he/it ain't dead. Let's see, I can think of at least two other SWTOR folks who fit that description:

-Malgus
-The Emperor
-and of course, Reven

Rest assured everyone, we will be seeing all of these guys again, it's just a matter of time.
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