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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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DarthRamette's Avatar

12.07.2012 , 09:27 PM | #3841
BW and respecting its players...ah that was a funny one lol Not making light of your anger mind you.

Nozybidaj's Avatar

12.07.2012 , 09:42 PM | #3842
Quote: Originally Posted by Ellianshia View Post
Bit amusing that they can't even say... "Yes, it's coming" or "No, it's not coming"
Meh, personally it stopped being amusing a long time ago. If they really don't actually have any idea if it is yes or no there really isn't any point in hanging around here any longer since the content even if they do eventually decide to do it is so far off the servers are likely to be shut down before they implement it.

Kioma's Avatar

12.07.2012 , 10:10 PM | #3843
Quote: Originally Posted by Brendan Sinclair
Hey Real Name, here's what they told us:

"We too have gotten a lot of questions about this and should be able to issue an answer soon. We had to be able to confirm things and we’re getting closer to that point. As soon as we have final confirmation that is happening, we’ll let you know to give you a heads up."

Not sure if that helps you any, but it's the latest we've got. Thanks,
Brendan Sinclair
Staff Writer, GamesIndustry International
Hmm. I see that as being a cautious positive. Should be able to issue an answer soon. Had to confirm things... That, of course, prompts the question of what things needed to be confirmed, and with whom?

While it's not the result a lot of people hoped for (frankly I'm very surprised they managed to get even that much) it shouldn't be seen as another fob-off. There's more information there.

We know there needed to be confirmation from someone about something. That means there's another rusty link in the information chain, and that's it's internal to EA/BW. They could mean they needed confirmation from writers about their progress, finance about how much money they can throw at it, programmers about how and when it can be implemented, or even confirmation from higher-ups that it can still go ahead at all.

Previously, the idea that there was an internal communication gap on EA/BW's side was only speculative. Now we know that it's the case. And while it doesn't help us get information immediately it does paint a small corner of the larger picture.

Don't lose hope, people.

I don't put a lot of stock in the whole 'Oh, we were going to tell them soon, honest!' sort of line, particularly given EA/BW's appalling track record on this (and not just SGRAs, but issues right across the board).

But I do think it's significant that they've admitted that there's an internal communication gap, even if it's to a separate body. Significant of what is, of course, another matter.
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QwibQwib's Avatar

12.07.2012 , 10:33 PM | #3844
So, after being away for most of the day, I come by and check the forums. What do I see? People from both crowds actually having a conversation while being civil and actually sharing a laugh! If that isn't cause for celebration, I don't know what is!

I'm sorry if I've ever been agitating or a bit impolite in the past, I've been having a bad week and getting so worked up about the treatment by BioWare (and assorted trolls) hasn't helped. I came very close to making a post this morning, one full of frustration and I had nearly given up on the forums for a short while. But, I'm glad I checked the forums first, as my faith in humanity has been somewhat restored, and I'm currently in one of the best moods I've had in a while.

And DarthRamette? I don't think I've ever been so glad to see one of your posts! If I could, I'd buy you a drink!
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Palar's Avatar

12.07.2012 , 10:39 PM | #3845
They're willing to talk about talking to us... maybe this can all be done with, one way or the other.

(Granted, I'd still be snippy due to the heat this week, but I'd be happy to see that. Not exactly enjoying the mindframe it put me in, or the resultant cracks at people over opinions.)

Kioma's Avatar

12.08.2012 , 12:30 AM | #3846
Quote: Originally Posted by Revanchis View Post
Back on topic though, I wish there were some information coming out. Have they said what's going to be in the next patch?
No idea. I doubt they'll tell us ahead of time when it's coming, though.
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AelixVII's Avatar

12.08.2012 , 07:59 AM | #3847
I'm just kind of concerned that we haven't seen certain things yet that you get with other game updates.

Here's an example, a few months back before Mass Effect 3's Omega DLC content was released you started to see the VA's twitter feeds light up with hints about going back into the studio for more voice work.

Though, this is assuming the SGR content would need a few re-writes here and there to personalise the romance missions, and not just changing she's to he's and vice versa.

Because we don't really want a quick edit job here and there, this is what makes me hope is taking the time...

natashina's Avatar

12.08.2012 , 09:05 AM | #3848
This is a quote from the Guild Summit:

Quote: Originally Posted by Daniel Erickson
(The question, gathered from online submissions, was summed up as, "Is there any update on same gender romance?")

This is an interesting one because it sort of lit up, and we didn't honestly -- if we should give an update on it every single time -- We've always said the same thing with it, which is that it's coming, and it's coming with story updates. And we totally understand when people hear "soon", um, maybe I should have put the TM next to it that, "writer Soon"? The writers have a much, much larger lead time than you would expect, and we wanna do any of this stuff right. We heard suggestions, and we do read the stuff, and let's talk a little about the stuff we were not willing to do. We were not willing to go in and just change all the dialogue to work for the other gender. That is not writing. That is not good storytelling.
Here's a link to the Daniel Erickson quote from the Guild Summit. I'll post the video.

After finding out GLAAD assisted this community in regards to SGRs last year, I decided to reach out to them again. They have gotten back to me as well as various other members of the thread. I got in touch with them both through email and through Facebook. Myself as well as some of the other posters here have also gotten FB responses from GLAAD. It isn't a lot, but they have told us that they are trying to contact EA/BW.

I really feel visibility is the key to getting an answer hopefully by the New Year. I encourage everyone to write to GLAAD. It took them a very short amount of time to respond to me via Facebook. By keeping the emails and messages going, we will have increasing chances of getting a solid answer. We aren't being ignored by them at least.

I'm not sure if you saw, but games industry International did respond to an email that I sent out earlier this week:

Hey Real Name, here's what they told us:

"We too have gotten a lot of questions about this and should be able to issue an answer soon. We had to be able to confirm things and we’re getting closer to that point. As soon as we have final confirmation that is happening, we’ll let you know to give you a heads up."

Not sure if that helps you any, but it's the latest we've got. Thanks,
Brendan Sinclair
Staff Writer, GamesIndustry International

That's more of an answer that this community has seen in a long time. This came from supporters writing to them. It doesn't look like much and it's....still highly unsatisfactory to be sure. However it is a start.

Here is all the contact info:

Spread the word! Tell anyone that desires and supports this content to write in. My goal is to get a solid, concrete and official answer by New Year's Day. I honestly believe that if the community bands together, we can achieve this goal.

I'm still pretty damned disgusted by EA/BW's response, I won't lie. However, at least they addressed it in anyway, which is better than nothing. For now.

Remember: Breathe. Ignore. Flag. Just stay away from the trolls and try to not to let the negativity get you down. It's not as bleak as it seems.

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12.08.2012 , 10:14 AM | #3849
I wont' deny that it's fairly disappointing that this wasn't in from the start but really it wasn't much of a surprise with the company behind madden and medal of honor is footing the bill it's not all that surprising that his kind of content wasn't a priority.

Honestly if this game hadn't been made by bioware no one would have been surprised that it wasn't included and it probably wouldn't have gotten even the response it has from the devs. So while more and sooner would be nice I think it may be a bit overboard to declare that their response has been drastically insufficient.

I was actually happy to hear that they weren't just going to open up the dialog existent to both genders, it was always a little frustrating to me in ME that it felt very much like that for the SSR's they didn't feel like gay relationships they felt like straight relationships in drag.
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natashina's Avatar

12.08.2012 , 10:19 AM | #3850
There is a recent article that talks about how proud EA is of being inclusive for the LGBTQ community. If you read the article, it talks about not only their inclusion for their employees, but also of SGR content in general.

So it's not EA being anti SGRs. It's just a weird persistent silence.

Night all.