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The Importance of Player Feedback with the New Free-to-Play Option

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The Importance of Player Feedback with the New Free-to-Play Option
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Costello
12.04.2012 , 04:20 PM | #11
It seems that the only thing that is being listened to is free to play, which is strange cause I don't think they can post on the forums.

Hows about addressing things that have been on the forums since before free to play came out but seem to have taken a back seat because of re-structing then staff working on free to play and cartel items. A few things that it would be nice ot see.

Open world PvP (which is open to everyone not just people that have ground out war hero gear in warzones).
More End Game Content.
More Species. (not just a human with face paint you are calling Cathar)
More options in Character creation.
Full 3D space (not calling it Super Secret Space Project)
New Armour and Weapon Sets. (we have been on black hole for most the year)
Guild Captial Ships.
Mini Games.
Continuation of Class and Companion Story. (Hate to say it but for most people this is far more important than world story arcs)
Side Ways progression. I know very very hard and a major project but it would be nice to have an end game that wasn't just tougher and tougher bosses with more and more difficult mechanics.

So it would be nice to discuss what is being done for the people that have been here for a year and not just those free to play gamers.

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Thlayer
12.04.2012 , 04:21 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Darthvokur View Post
Maybe I'm being dumb, but what on Earth does this mean?
It means that subscribers will basically be able to create an (almost) unlimited number of characters.

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Osceana
12.04.2012 , 04:22 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Thlayer View Post
/agree
I understand the Legacy restriction. everything else you said I completely agree with. Also, reduced experience for non-subbers is not only frustrating, it's completely counter-productive. players having reduced experience fall behind in levels and when they can't access some flashpoints and warzones to make up for that lost experience, their experience will be tainted. SWTOR is the only MMO out there that actually has reduced experience for non subbers and I don't think that is a good, groundbreaking thing. I also understand the race restrictions, however, to be limited to human/cyborg and Zabrak only, is a bit overkill don't you think?
You my friend are not correct there are plenty of free to plays that limit the speed of free to players. Its actually very common in the f2p industry
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Roalmo
12.04.2012 , 04:22 PM | #14
Over fifty toons is appreciated, thanks for that!

Now if Kira can properly put away her light-sword...

If Holiday could be see again during a fight...

If Vette could have the slave-collar permanently removed so I could have her in her dark blue skin...

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SFaulkner
12.04.2012 , 04:23 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Darthvokur View Post
Maybe I'm being dumb, but what on Earth does this mean?
This means that across every server, we were originally allowed to have 50 characters total. With 12 per server. Now, apparently, we can have more then 50 total characters in an upcoming patch. Who the hell has enough time on their hands to play 50 characters? Or more now...

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Alexbeav
12.04.2012 , 04:23 PM | #16
While I am preparing a thorough post with my feedback about free-to-play, my main gripe is with the way flashpoints, operations and warzones are handled for non-subscribers. I can understand that those would be the main reason someone would subscribe after playing the game all the way through to 50 with a character, but this is an alternate way to handle it :

  • Allow players access to all normal Tier 1 flashpoints.
  • Allow players to purchase access to normal Tier 2 flashpoints.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Heroic Tier 1,2 Flashpoints
  • Allow players access to all Tier 1 operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 2 operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 1 Heroic Operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 1 Nightmare Operations.
  • Allow players to purchase a single Warzone for unlimited play.

Bundles could be made to include [Heroic Flashpoints] [All Normal Operations] [All Heroic Tier 1 Operations] [3 Warzone Pack] etc.

This would allow free players to experience the storyline of Operations and Flashpoints, while giving the option of paying a one-time fee to unlock content (like Section X for example). The weekly pass for operations and warzones never made much sense to me (in my opinion, a monthly pass would be a more logical choice).

It comes to reason that subscribers will always have the edge over preferred/free players, an option would be to allow purchasing newer Tiers of content after a certain amount of time (2 weeks/1 month) for preferred accounts. From an economical viewpoint, it makes sense that people who want to really put time in the game will subscribe, as it will be cheaper than buying all the content separately, but people who don't play fixed amounts of time (I may log in 5 times one month, and log in every day another), just straight-out buying the content I want to play will make me a happy customer.

A good idea would be after a certain amount of time to open the oldest content Tier (i.e. we are at Tier 4-5, open Tier 1) to free accounts. Most players (especially subscribers) will have little to no reason to run those instances anyway.

This system is modeled strongly after Age of Conan's shop system, which gave the option of either a subscription and full access, or limited access but the option to buy literally all the game's features (including heroics,raids, expansions etc.). I believe this will echo strongly to the people who are unwilling to pay a subscription because they play sporadically, but still want access to everything.
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Darthvokur
12.04.2012 , 04:26 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Thlayer View Post
It means that subscribers will basically be able to create an (almost) unlimited number of characters.
Awesome!

Quote: Originally Posted by SFaulkner View Post
This means that across every server, we were originally allowed to have 50 characters total. With 12 per server. Now, apparently, we can have more then 50 total characters in an upcoming patch. Who the hell has enough time on their hands to play 50 characters? Or more now...
Do we know how many we can make per server? I don't cross servers but I'd like to have more alts :P

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Insidion
12.04.2012 , 04:29 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Alexbeav View Post
While I am preparing a thorough post with my feedback about free-to-play, my main gripe is with the way flashpoints, operations and warzones are handled for non-subscribers. I can understand that those would be the main reason someone would subscribe after playing the game all the way through to 50 with a character, but this is an alternate way to handle it :

  • Allow players access to all normal Tier 1 flashpoints.
  • Allow players to purchase access to normal Tier 2 flashpoints.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Heroic Tier 1,2 Flashpoints
  • Allow players access to all Tier 1 operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 2 operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 1 Heroic Operations.
  • Allow players to purchase access to Tier 1 Nightmare Operations.
  • Allow players to purchase a single Warzone for unlimited play.

Bundles could be made to include [Heroic Flashpoints] [All Normal Operations] [All Heroic Tier 1 Operations] [3 Warzone Pack] etc.

This would allow free players to experience the storyline of Operations and Flashpoints, while giving the option of paying a one-time fee to unlock content (like Section X for example). The weekly pass for operations and warzones never made much sense to me (in my opinion, a monthly pass would be a more logical choice).

It comes to reason that subscribers will always have the edge over preferred/free players, an option would be to allow purchasing newer Tiers of content after a certain amount of time (2 weeks/1 month) for preferred accounts. From an economical viewpoint, it makes sense that people who want to really put time in the game will subscribe, as it will be cheaper than buying all the content separately, but people who don't play fixed amounts of time (I may log in 5 times one month, and log in every day another), just straight-out buying the content I want to play will make me a happy customer.

A good idea would be after a certain amount of time to open the oldest content Tier (i.e. we are at Tier 4-5, open Tier 1) to free accounts. Most players (especially subscribers) will have little to no reason to run those instances anyway.

This system is modeled strongly after Age of Conan's shop system, which gave the option of either a subscription and full access, or limited access but the option to buy literally all the game's features (including heroics,raids, expansions etc.). I believe this will echo strongly to the people who are unwilling to pay a subscription because they play sporadically, but still want access to everything.
No, no, a thousand times, no!

What you are saying is "all casual players should be able to be free-2-play and get all casual content" because they don't play very often? No way. If you want access to everything, subscribe.

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FeelFlow
12.04.2012 , 04:29 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Thlayer View Post
It means that subscribers will basically be able to create an (almost) unlimited number of characters.
Does it mean that we still can only have 12 chars per server though?

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Alexbeav
12.04.2012 , 04:34 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Insidion View Post
No, no, a thousand times, no!

What you are saying is "all casual players should be able to be free-2-play and get all casual content" because they don't play very often? No way. If you want access to everything, subscribe.
No, I'm saying consider offering the option to purchase any content you're interested in experiencing, same as Section-X, with a time delay for new content for preferred players and even greater for free players.
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