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VigDiath
11.28.2012 , 05:37 PM | #11
I'm a bit biased because I love Shadows but that's what I would suggest. Shadow's offer:

1. Awesome DPS if you go the DPS route. You burn down enemies much faster than most tanks would and with a Tank companion or a healer you will always control the battlefield. My first Shadow was a tank and I stuck with the Kinetic Combat tree the whole way up to 50. I only changed it once to DPS for PVP and switched back to Tank because that suited me better. I rolled my 2nd Shadow 7 months later and went the DPS route. Wouldn't change anything about my approach for either.

2. Avoid mobs by stealthing. I love that the Shadow can stealth before battle, CC someone and then wipe out the rest of the mob with no problems. Or just CC one and completely bypass the rest of them. I did this a lot with both toons.

My second choice would be a Smuggler.
So far I have 2 level 50 Shadows, 1 level 50 Jedi Knight (vig spec), 1 level 50 Sith Marauder, a Level 40 smuggler (gunslinger), a level 35 Commando, a level 25 Sniper, a level 20 Smuggler (scoundrel) and as far as ranged characters go my Gunslinger is my favorite and my 2nd favorite class.

1. Ranged class with a screen/cover that prevents bosses from pulling you if specced right or from jumping to you effectively keeping them ranged unless they are melee.
2. An awesome knockback that roots mobs in place for a few seconds and a offensive shot that roots them in place.
3. If you go Scoundrel you get stealth. If you go gunslinger you get 2 FTW blasters lol
Also, the smuggler storyline has been pretty awesome so far I can put out huge dps in WZ's!
Jedi Covenant (The Baltimore Legacy)
Laaron - 55 (Shadow Tank) Eulora - 55 (Sage Healer)
Madmartygan - 55 (Guardian DPS) Skylaadawn - 55 (Sab Smug)
Akon - 55 (Carnage Marauder) L'aron - 53 (Sorc Healer)

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VigDiath
11.28.2012 , 05:39 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Arvaliz View Post
Hello AMulls,



One would be:
Jedi Shadow
Simply put I like the idea of Light sabers + stealth (if im lazy) + tank / dps
I also would like to continue the Story of my Jedi Sage and this seems like a good opportunity
however:

The other option:
Trooper Commando
I like the sound of a heavy armored healer/dps with a big gun in his hand. I've played healers in other MMOs before and its always a different challenge, which is a plus aswell.
Both good choices!! What server are you on?
Jedi Covenant (The Baltimore Legacy)
Laaron - 55 (Shadow Tank) Eulora - 55 (Sage Healer)
Madmartygan - 55 (Guardian DPS) Skylaadawn - 55 (Sab Smug)
Akon - 55 (Carnage Marauder) L'aron - 53 (Sorc Healer)

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happysister
11.28.2012 , 10:04 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Arvaliz View Post
Hello everyone!

I've been gone from this game for quite some time now and just returned recently and a LOT has changed. I decided to start over new and moved onto a different server but now I seem to have Problems with finding the class I like.

etc. etc. etc.
well, let's see. i'd say any class is viable for end game pve. all it takes is practice and knowledge of ops. any class can level to 50 easily too.

i have 5 level 50s so far (guardian, shadow, gunslinger, scoundrel, powertech). i enjoyed them all, but my favorite would be my two smugglers. my gunslinger is my main. really love the cover system. it takes a little while to get used to it, but it's lots of fun when you get the hand of it. scoundrel was an enjoyable class too. they are more like rogues with heals. less dependent on the cover system, so you could always go that route if you don't want to deal with cover. scoundrels also make good healers. more mobile than sages, and they get two 60 second cc skills.

my guardian is my main tank. honestly, i don't think i've had as much fun tanking in other games as i do when playing my guardian. i know you didn't sound like you wanted to tank, but it's a challenge and feels great when you can control fights. shadow tanking is much easier than guardian tanking if you feel like giving it another go, not to mention they get stealth.
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mokkh
11.28.2012 , 10:11 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Arvaliz View Post
Hello Mokkh and thanks for your reply,

i played my jedi sage as a healer, or at least put my talentpoints where people told me a healer would put them wile leveling up and sadly it did not work out for me. Mobs went down too slow to really make a difference.

In any event I read through your post and it made me wonder: you mentoined you never really bothered equipping the other companions and to tell the truth I didn't even know that you'd normally do that...
In only used Quinn and Qyzen the whole time, so I tried to keep both of them equipped by picking the quest-rewards for them. Is it common to switch out companions in the higher levels or is it just something "optional" for those who want to try out everyone?

It seems like I missed out on more than just a few things in this forum while reading through the others...
Right now my tendency goes towards a Commando, simply because I believe the Republic leaves you more ways of actually expressing your opinion than the Empire does. I dont like getting shocked with lightning just because I told a Sith his face lookes like a wookies... back...

Anyway still open for suggestions the more the merrier!
Sincerely,
Arvalis
With respect to your question on companions, on both my healers I ran with the melee tank companion until I got melee dps; that would be Akaavi for smuggler and Ashara for inquisitor due to the issue you stated about speeding up kill times. Some people prefer range dps comps but again, its going to depend on your playstyle.

The one I was specifically mentioning was for the Agent only, because I've got a sympathetic soft spot for Kaliyo's character. The Sith Empire chewed my guy up and spit him out and he used that as an impetus to work against them. There's plenty of wiggle room to go against each faction in an RP sense but you will have to face the consequences (like getting shocked). It makes the reckoning that much more satisfying story-wise.

My tank toons are all shackled to the healer companion, with dps I could mix up the variety a bit more but you gotta be no top of each combat situation; i.e. I don't just use one catch-all rotation, I have specific ways I handle groups of 2,3, or 4+ mobs as well as emergency "oh crap" things I fall back on when things get out of control. I've been playing these types of games for a long time though so I have plenty of experience elsewhere to draw from.

Rule #1 of MMORPGs: You will die, a lot. Don't take it hard and give up so that you can learn to not die.
Rule #2 of MMORPGs: see Rule 1.

-Mokkh

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happysister
11.28.2012 , 10:32 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by mokkh View Post
With respect to your question on companions, on both my healers I ran with the melee tank companion until I got melee dps; that would be Akaavi for smuggler and Ashara for inquisitor due to the issue you stated about speeding up kill times. Some people prefer range dps comps but again, its going to depend on your playstyle.
you could also try putting your tank companion in their DPS stance and put them in DPS gear. they'll kill a lot faster but still be able to take a decent beating, as well as taunt mobs off you. i have my sage's Qyzen like this. he does a lot more damage, but still tanks like a champ.

Quote: Originally Posted by mokkh View Post
My tank toons are all shackled to the healer companion, with dps I could mix up the variety a bit more but you gotta be no top of each combat situation; i.e. I don't just use one catch-all rotation, I have specific ways I handle groups of 2,3, or 4+ mobs as well as emergency "oh crap" things I fall back on when things get out of control. I've been playing these types of games for a long time though so I have plenty of experience elsewhere to draw from.
i found that leveling with a DPS companion made things easier. my guardian tried using Doc for awhile, but it took her forever to kill mobs. Kira made fights go so much faster. even when i wasn't properly geared, we could clear 2-3 groups of mobs before needing to stop and heal. i could also solo champion mobs with Kira provided i made use of my defensive cds. i made use of Nadia/Qyzen (in his dps stance) more than Tharan when leveling my shadow tank too. though i needed him in order to solo champion mobs.
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Arvaliz
11.29.2012 , 03:43 AM | #16
Hello everyone! Thank you all for your replies!!

First off, I chose the Jedi Shadow over the Trooper, simply because I'd like to finish the Jedi Counsular story.
I'd like to thank everyone who posted here and shared his wisdom with me. Now it's up to me to make something out of my choice.
His Name is Var'ion on the Server Vanjervalis Chain (german).

Once again thank you everyone, I'll post an update later on how I enjoy the Shadow.
So far,

Arvalis

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mokkh
11.29.2012 , 07:40 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by happysister View Post
you could also try putting your tank companion in their DPS stance and put them in DPS gear. they'll kill a lot faster but still be able to take a decent beating, as well as taunt mobs off you. i have my sage's Qyzen like this. he does a lot more damage, but still tanks like a champ.
I always found the melee tank companions to lack survivability whether in tank or dps mode, especially if aes are involved. But again, to each their own. I have 8 50s, and a second agent I leveled through to record the story so my methods obviously work for me.

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i found that leveling with a DPS companion made things easier. my guardian tried using Doc for awhile, but it took her forever to kill mobs. Kira made fights go so much faster. even when i wasn't properly geared, we could clear 2-3 groups of mobs before needing to stop and heal. i could also solo champion mobs with Kira provided i made use of my defensive cds. i made use of Nadia/Qyzen (in his dps stance) more than Tharan when leveling my shadow tank too. though i needed him in order to solo champion mobs.
My shadow hit 50 the first week of January, he was my first toon from early access and I finished the class story at 47. I then did Ilum and Belsavis to cap him off. Survivability goes through the roof when you are fully spec'd tank and use a healer, in the case of the shadow stealth allows you to bypass any extraneous npcs along the way to your objective as well. Nadia is a glass cannon and Qyzen had zero gear on him at that point so for me, it was much easier to use the classic tank/heal combo and push through doing content that was 2-4 levels above mine (except trying Stark at 39, that was a mistake).

So Arvaliz, as I mentioned you need to find your playstyle and develop according to what's easiest for you. There is no singular correct path in this game and that is part in parcel of what makes it shine with respect to game mechanics.

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happysister
11.29.2012 , 12:25 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by mokkh View Post
My shadow hit 50 the first week of January, he was my first toon from early access and I finished the class story at 47. I then did Ilum and Belsavis to cap him off. Survivability goes through the roof when you are fully spec'd tank and use a healer, in the case of the shadow stealth allows you to bypass any extraneous npcs along the way to your objective as well. Nadia is a glass cannon and Qyzen had zero gear on him at that point so for me, it was much easier to use the classic tank/heal combo and push through doing content that was 2-4 levels above mine (except trying Stark at 39, that was a mistake).

So Arvaliz, as I mentioned you need to find your playstyle and develop according to what's easiest for you. There is no singular correct path in this game and that is part in parcel of what makes it shine with respect to game mechanics.
you do have more survivability with a healer companion, no doubt about that. i leveled my shadow tank after i completed my guardian tank's story, so i was already familiar with the role. Nadia wasn't too squishy to me, but that was probably because i gave her my hand-me-downs. she was a lot easier/cheaper to gear up than Tharan and Qy were. also if you spam slow time, mobs shouldn't even be touching her. i also chose not to level with a healer so that i could learn how to tank properly and get used to my defensive skills. i know how much abuse my toon can take before things start getting hairy, and it got me used to popping my defensive cds. whenever i had a healer companion out, i'd get lazy and not pay as much attention to things like that.
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mokkh
11.30.2012 , 05:32 PM | #19
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you do have more survivability with a healer companion, no doubt about that. i leveled my shadow tank after i completed my guardian tank's story, so i was already familiar with the role. Nadia wasn't too squishy to me, but that was probably because i gave her my hand-me-downs. she was a lot easier/cheaper to gear up than Tharan and Qy were. also if you spam slow time, mobs shouldn't even be touching her. i also chose not to level with a healer so that i could learn how to tank properly and get used to my defensive skills. i know how much abuse my toon can take before things start getting hairy, and it got me used to popping my defensive cds. whenever i had a healer companion out, i'd get lazy and not pay as much attention to things like that.
When I leveled my shadow, slow time still broke cc and as it was the first character I made on early access I had no idea she would be a willpower main stat comp so I hadn't been saving anything for her. The reason I made a shadow is in large part due to nostalgia for my shadowknight from EQ1. I've been tanking since 1999 so there was no need to get used to defensives. In fact, this game is decidedly less busy than that one with regard to constantly having to press "oh s&*%" buttons using a healer comp or not.

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happysister
11.30.2012 , 07:26 PM | #20
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When I leveled my shadow, slow time still broke cc and as it was the first character I made on early access I had no idea she would be a willpower main stat comp so I hadn't been saving anything for her. The reason I made a shadow is in large part due to nostalgia for my shadowknight from EQ1. I've been tanking since 1999 so there was no need to get used to defensives. In fact, this game is decidedly less busy than that one with regard to constantly having to press "oh s&*%" buttons using a healer comp or not.
slow time won't break CC if you force pull the other mobs away from the CCed one.

i didn't have anything saved up for Nadia either. i just gave her my old gear when i found better pieces to wear.

as far as tanking goes, it's a bit different in each game, at least the ones that i've played. leveling as a tank in this game is much easier due to the companions, though holding agro when you're in a party can be difficult at times (for a guardian anyways, shadow had less problems holding aoe threat due to slow time being spammable). this is also the first game i've played where a tank class has stealth. surprisingly, it works. had to get used to it at first, lol.
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The Kipplar Legacy ~ Proud Founder of The Old Republic
The Heroes of The Republic/Empire