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Outlaw's Den + HK-51 quest = Open PvP

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Outlaw's Den + HK-51 quest = Open PvP

Dacer's Avatar

11.18.2012 , 10:51 PM | #31
For all those that are talking about ganking and griefing.. PoT5 is a pvp server so those ideals don't apply. Thats what being on a pvp server is all about.

Doesn't matter if its an 'honorable' 1v1 or other even number combos.

The pvp server description is pretty clear.

If you didn't want that kind of interaction with other players you shouldn't be on pvp servers.

As for this happening on PvE servers... Go complain in the general discuss thread.

DirtyDusty's Avatar

11.18.2012 , 11:19 PM | #32
Good job. I don't see why all the cryers are adversed to grouping up to get the part in the part in outlaws den. They had to group up for other portions. I hardly ever group up and do pve stuff but in order to get the droid i did so, and i didn't cry about it.

Jaiyne's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 12:53 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Polebreaker View Post
Yeah, awesome "open pvp" by griefing a bunch of people who dont want to pvp. What a tool.
It's a PvP server. This is why a PvP server is fun.

I also don't see the OP claiming it took skill - but that OPvP is alive and happening. If people don't bring friends, they're going to get ganked.

on some dead servers atm

Rincewend's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 02:43 AM | #34
Since when is pvp supposed to be honorable? When is anyone on the Empire supposed to be? Really I still see it no different than someone jumping into a warzone in PVE gear (yeah it still happens) or trying to hold a door on his own. You go into a World PVP area expect to get attacked on PVE servers and even more so on PVP servers if you are going to cry about it than read the message and don't go in or get off a PVP server.

Get a group put on your PVP gear (you should have at least Recuit since they gave it too you) and go get the part. If you get ganked you will not be alone, when you spawn at the med center group up. Running back in alone is only going to gank you again. We grouped up tonight to take the jawa back from some republic toons who were camping, they killed us we killed them it was great fun. What open World PVP should be.

Sheduur's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 04:19 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Eillack View Post
Yes, the new griefing hub.

Took hours for people to get to the vendor who don't want to PvP. I PvP in WZ's a lot when I get hte free time, but for myself and a lot of others, we just wanted to HK parts. After a couple of hours we finally got the vendor but the griefers are not something to welcome.
People like you really make it hard to establish any kind of open pvp in any game...
Youre calling them griefers when all they did was pvp in a pvp zone? Really?

I was looking for fights in the same area back when there was the chest spawn that actually yielded some relatively decent amount of tokens, so I can understand that for most people it was just about getting something out of it, because even then people would just try to run away instead of fight. But this is a designated pvp zone and if you cant face it, then dont go there. But dont come to the forums moaning about being griefed there...

DarthFamine's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 06:21 AM | #36
That's not PvP. tis just straight griefing.
honestly BW shouldn't have put the part in there on pve servers all it's done is led to massive camping.


I think they should put some type of objectives in the den for pvp though. the current go find it quest just isn't enough to make people go there and stay there.
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Ycoga's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 06:48 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Polebreaker View Post
And you KNOW that they are there just for the quest, and not to pvp, and that makes you a griefer and a tool. A bad design decision doesnt excuse poor and childish behaviour. Grow up. Now excuse me while I shed a tear because you cant find "Open PVP" without harassing people. May I suggest, in the mean time, something like call of duty...
Did you miss his comment of, 'the devs set outlaws den as a destination for a reason' the first time around?
'Pre-2.0 PvP... The gear gap was too big and some players became non-contributors quickly because of the gear gap. It wasn’t fun for the majority of players' - Alex Modny

CommanderKeeva's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 07:02 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by TheronFett View Post
You're probably on of those derps who 1vs1 off in the corner in warzones, aren't ya?

There's no such thing as a fair fight. Outnumbering the enemy and using focus fire are the best PvP tactics in this game.
Actually I liked Ilum World PvP even though every day the Imperials could field 3 times the people we had. Apart from the crappy performance and the general uselessness of melee in such situations. We still have some organized Ilum PvP events believe it or not but they are usually short because way more Imperials show up than Republic players and they leave after the first clash, when they realize that they can't kill us.

The first time I tried to get to the vendor on my Guardian, there were 6 Imperials sitting around the Jawa. I thought they wouldn't attack me 6v1 or would only attack after I had a chance to buy the piece but no. Charged on sight and killed. Went in twice more and the same thing happened. "No problem" I thought, I'd ask for some help in General and after twenty minutes of asking/coercing/begging all I got was "Dude, stop spamming in general." "Dude, take your PvP problems to a PvP server." No one was interested in helping out, so I just did the other parts and waited a few hours for the Imperials to go away.

Next day, when I went there to help my friend, I saw one of the guys who caused so much annoyance the day before and my mind just boiled, so we proceeded to beat the **** **** out the poor guy. I guess he called for help because 2 minutes later a billion Imps charged down the hill and killed us. Again, I asked for help in general, again got "stop spamming, no one wants to fight stupid Imperials". It's pretty hard to enjoy OWPvP if no one wants to come to help you out.

I wish there was some unique reward for Open World PVP to entice more people to participate.

EDIT: But today morning, when I went there again. I saw like 15 people (Reps and Imps alike) all merrily scanning the ground not two meters from each other. I said come on you have 7v8, pretty close start fighting! No, they continued to scan the ground peacefully. (Which I don't even get....aren't you supposed to buy the piece from the vendor? Can you unearth it as well, there?)

Rendolphe's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 08:15 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by CommanderKeeva View Post


EDIT: But today morning, when I went there again. I saw like 15 people (Reps and Imps alike) all merrily scanning the ground not two meters from each other. I said come on you have 7v8, pretty close start fighting! No, they continued to scan the ground peacefully. (Which I don't even get....aren't you supposed to buy the piece from the vendor? Can you unearth it as well, there?)
You cannot expect Open PvP event just because the ''factor'' are there. You need a catalysis.

All theses Reps and Imps looking at each others and not attacking are dead wood. Put some gaz on it and set the fire. Then you will have some fight. You need some emotions to create this kind of event. You have to create the feeling that they want to leave their REWARD quest and run after your group because they are pissed off or just because they seek justice. The Dev make an effort to put some REWARD quest inside there. They can't force people to kill each others. The open PvP depend on the community of players you have. PoT5 is a PvP server and I expect a PvP behavior from it.

So if you take a look back to the video, the cataysis is us killing every Red encounter that we see. Rep or Imp blood have the same taste. After few minutes if you have the patience you start to see some 3 v 3, 3 v 4, 3 v 6 and so on.

I think few of the complains I had on this thread miss the real message of this video. Open PvP is alive when you are trying things. We had dishonorable fight, but it was a necessity ...
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Technohic's Avatar

11.19.2012 , 08:30 AM | #40
I do not have a problem with "ganking" people in a PvP zone, regardless of type of server; but I do find it surprising they put a decidedly PvE item in a PvP zone. That is stupid and is on the developers.