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FTP is Too "Free". Please adjust model.

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Englefield
11.18.2012 , 09:06 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Doesn't matter if you're god's gift to the world, if you can't wear the gear required to do the hm FP/OPs, you're just bringing the whole group down.
Is purple gear really that important for FPs? If it matters that much then don't play with FTP players and then your gaming experience will be exactly the same as it was before FTP hit. No problem.

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Gomla
11.18.2012 , 09:14 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by annabethchase View Post
If a subscriber doesn't have artifact level gear then they aren't ready for HM either. As long as they buy an equipment authorization and learn mechanics in SM, we'll all be fine. But every group i've ran in since Thursday's had some clueless person in it who may or may not have copped an attitude when instructions were given.
I highly doubt brand new FTP folks have been doing HM's since Thursday.

Seeing as XP is nerfed for them I don't think they got from 1 to 50 in the space of a couple of hours.

What you are dealing with is ex subs or clueless subscribers NOT new FTP folks.

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Smashbrother
11.18.2012 , 09:17 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Englefield View Post
Is purple gear really that important for FPs? If it matters that much then don't play with FTP players and then your gaming experience will be exactly the same as it was before FTP hit. No problem.
It matters for HMs, and people can't choose who they are grouped with using GF. And if you leave the group because your teammates are in crap gear, you can't reuse GF for a while.

I don't do much pve, so this isn't really an issue for me. But I could see how it could upset other subbers who are all about pve.

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Englefield
11.18.2012 , 09:30 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
It matters for HMs, and people can't choose who they are grouped with using GF. And if you leave the group because your teammates are in crap gear, you can't reuse GF for a while.

I don't do much pve, so this isn't really an issue for me. But I could see how it could upset other subbers who are all about pve.
You might be right. I have just resubbed but if I remember correctly I never entered HM Flashpoints with purples, I picked them up there. It was mentioned above, no new player is doing FPs or OPs just yet but I suppose it could be an issue later. As I said earlier there is a lot wrong with this FTP model, but I just think the OPs complaints are petty and unjustified

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hippiechick
11.18.2012 , 09:56 PM | #85
I dont care what they give away but it has been my experience that the one thing that makes F2P successful is making the F2P ppl pay for content. Giving the story away and giving the planets away was a mistake IMO.

M
If at first you don't succeed...
then skydiving isn't for you.

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Klarick
11.18.2012 , 11:08 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by hippiechick View Post
I dont care what they give away but it has been my experience that the one thing that makes F2P successful is making the F2P ppl pay for content. Giving the story away and giving the planets away was a mistake IMO.

M
You are correct. A more pay as you play model would have been better served i believe.
Klarick -- Healing PUGS since 16 March 1999

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Smashbrother
11.18.2012 , 11:12 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Klarick View Post
You are correct. A more pay as you play model would have been better served i believe.
Well I don't have much experience with F2P games besides League Of Legends, and that game allows you to play the game with "free" weekly heroes. Nothing is restricted to you content wise. They sell tons of different costumes and cosmetic stuff, and LoL--AFAIK--is doing extremely well monetarily. So I think SWTOR's plan to just selling cosmetic stuff will probably do well also.

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Coldin
11.19.2012 , 12:01 AM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Well I don't have much experience with F2P games besides League Of Legends, and that game allows you to play the game with "free" weekly heroes. Nothing is restricted to you content wise. They sell tons of different costumes and cosmetic stuff, and LoL--AFAIK--is doing extremely well monetarily. So I think SWTOR's plan to just selling cosmetic stuff will probably do well also.
Too bad that's not really what they're doing.

1. Hotbars are locked.
2. Content is restricted. Section X, Operations, Flashpoints, Warzones. All locked to some degree.
3. Purple/Event items are locked.
4. Essential Cosmetics are locked. Hide Helm, Unify Color, Display Title, and all companion versions.


Also consider that all prices seen in the Cartel Market are actually per character. If you want to unlock Purple equipment for your entire account, it's going to run $25. Unlocking Section X for all characters will cost you $15.

Compare this to other F2P games, like LOTRO. You don't have to pay anything to equip the best gear. And purchasing a new area to explore, which contains hundreds of quests and some instances (flashpoints) will run about $7 for an account.

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TrakonBazzaak
11.19.2012 , 12:18 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Klarick View Post
Dear Bioware,

As a Founder and subscriber, I'm a little dismayed that you are willing to give away so much of the game, that I pay for each month. Dont get me wrong, I like FTP options as I do think they are beneficial to the ongoing development of a game. However, the path you have chosen is unpredented in how much it gives for nothing.

A person can play the entire storyline of every class in the game, on either side of the conflict, without paying a dime! Really? That's a bit much IMO, and sort of a slap to us that pay monthly. As a suggestion I would like to see a more LOTRO type of model where a FTP'r has to buy quest packs and zone unlocks in order to progress. This method allows the FTP'ers a choice in what parts of the game they want to play WITHOUT angering those that pay a monthly subscription.

What you have done here is decide to just give the game away. I trust you know what you are doing here, but I, for one, am not too crazy about it.

Thank you,

Klarick
FOUNDER
OP is right, they have it bass ackwards

GIVE AWAY THE UI, SELL THE STORY CONTENT!!!

Who ever designed the ftp experience should be fired, like yesterday.


I love the layout and functionality of the shop, just the implementation of ftp seems really retarded.

Give away the meat and potatoes......but charge money to use a fork?
It may be nobody wants to be heroes except when it doesn't count, when it isn't challenging, that people would rather fight "pretend evil" than the real thing, but I don't personally believe that. I still think people are better than that.
Raph Koster

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AMKSED
11.19.2012 , 12:20 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Klarick View Post
Dear Bioware,

As a Founder and subscriber, I'm a little dismayed that you are willing to give away so much of the game, that I pay for each month. Dont get me wrong, I like FTP options as I do think they are beneficial to the ongoing development of a game. However, the path you have chosen is unpredented in how much it gives for nothing.

A person can play the entire storyline of every class in the game, on either side of the conflict, without paying a dime! Really? That's a bit much IMO, and sort of a slap to us that pay monthly. As a suggestion I would like to see a more LOTRO type of model where a FTP'r has to buy quest packs and zone unlocks in order to progress. This method allows the FTP'ers a choice in what parts of the game they want to play WITHOUT angering those that pay a monthly subscription.

What you have done here is decide to just give the game away. I trust you know what you are doing here, but I, for one, am not too crazy about it.

Thank you,

Klarick
FOUNDER
This games story isn't worth $15. It should be free