theskullwalker Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I'm awaiting for suggestions. I know most will say Vitate but there could be someone stronger before and may still await in the unknown regions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trixdope Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The son I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Luke Skywalker is the most powerful mortal Force User. In terms of immortal/Force entities that would be the Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I'm awaiting for suggestions. I know most will say Vitate but there could be someone stronger before and may still await in the unknown regions... Vitiate realistically. Luke Skywalker canonically. But seriously, use the search function, there are dozens of threads about this. Edited March 16, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Vitiate realistically. Luke Skywalker canonically. But seriously, use the search function, there are dozens of threads about this. You're a little confused it seems. Luke Skywalker canonically and realistically (as much as a space fantasy genre can be considered realistic.) I take it you haven't read much of the Post-RotJ books/graphic novels/etc... The things he does are unrivaled by just about every force user ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyurii Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Luke Skywalker is the most powerful mortal Force User. In terms of immortal/Force entities that would be the Father. /Thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airmo Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I'm awaiting for suggestions. I know most will say Vitate but there could be someone stronger before and may still await in the unknown regions... Revan. *Get's the f out of dodge* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs_zoltan Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Revan. *Get's the f out of dodge* inb4 flamewar...again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Luke Skywalker is the most powerful mortal Force User. In terms of immortal/Force entities that would be the Father. Pretty much, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) You're a little confused it seems. Luke Skywalker canonically and realistically (as much as a space fantasy genre can be considered realistic.) I take it you haven't read much of the Post-RotJ books/graphic novels/etc... The things he does are unrivaled by just about every force user ever You are *a lot* confused it seems. Luke has plot and Lucas armor. And the moment the new movies were declared,everything post ep 6 is under question at least and null and void at the most.So basically the only thing protecting his position is a canon statement and blood relation to the Chosen one. And yes i have read all Star Wars EU,except X-wing.And also post ep 6 EU is so extremely and overwhelmingly bad,unless you were born before 1990, that I wonder how can anyone take seriously this stuff.I read it,just because it has the name Star Wars on it. Luke's story ended at ep 6.It's about to be continued in ep 7.So yes, realistically he is not,yet. Edited March 16, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) You are *a lot* confused it seems. Luke has plot and Lucas armor. And the moment the new movies were declared,everything post ep 6 is under question at least and null and void at the most.So basically the only thing protecting his position is a canon statement and blood relation to the Chosen one. And yes i have read all Star Wars EU,except X-wing.And also post ep 6 EU is so extremely and overwhelmingly bad,unless you were born before 1990, that I wonder how can anyone take seriously this stuff.I read it,just because it has the name Star Wars on it. Luke's story ended at ep 6.It's about to be continued in ep 7.So yes, realistically he is not,yet. No, no I'm quite certain I see things clearly. The news that the new movies are coming only tells us that at some point in the future (for now its December 2015) there will be new content that, when released, will retcon Post-RotJ lore. The news that the sequel trilogy is incoming does not in fact retcon anything for the purposes of discussing the Star Wars Franchise (at least on this forum.) If you personally don't consider the Post-RotJ as "canon" because you don't like it or are anticipating the new movies then by all means go ahead do so in your own head. But when you are talking to other people, we really couldn't care less on your opinion of how valid the Post-RotJ era is. I consider it canon till the new movies are actually released and thereby retcon it and for the purposes of just about every thread here that is the case. First, X-wing series was one of the best written Post-RotJ series so you're missing out. Second, while in some cases the storytelling suffers and characters are predictable due to Plot Armor, the Post-RotJ Eu is pretty good and forms a major chunk of all SW lore so to disregard it due to your personal bias is silly You'd be better served discussing your criticisms with writers in a RL literature discussion rather than make claims against canon based on how much you liked the book. Edited March 17, 2014 by StarSquirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sell-dog Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) The Palpatine that existed in ROTJ was already the Most Powerful Sith (Canonically and Empirically). Luke in ROTJ is no joke either and I always thought select works would be wiped not necessarily all of it. In either case the movies won't come out for a while so there's really no reason to discuss something that hasn't happened yet. We also have no idea of the power level of the characters in this trilogy or even the characters themselves outside of the big 3. (Before anyone asks or assumes, I missed seeing any of the OT in theaters by a few years. I really should never have to announce this fact when mentioning to people that have only played SWTOR and read Revan that Vitiate is not the greatest thing there ever was.) Edited March 17, 2014 by sell-dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) to disregard it due to your personal bias is silly yes but i am not,that's why i said, *canonically* Luke is the best.And i acknowledge it. offtopic:Also i like /some/ of the post ep 6 EU.But not the stories which expand on the movie characters,because it give me vibes of cheap fan fiction,not serious Star Wars,the way the movies ,kotor1/2 and swtor does.(and the obvious books and comics connected to them,like Bane or Exar Kun) Edited March 17, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 yes but i am not,that's why i said, *canonically* Luke is the best.And i acknowledge it. offtopic:Also i like /some/ of the post ep 6 EU.But not the stories which expand on the movie characters,because it give me vibes of cheap fan fiction,not serious Star Wars,the way the movies ,kotor1/2 and swtor does.(and the obvious books and comics connected to them,like Bane or Exar Kun)Lets face it, unless Luke dies before he reaches his full potential. It ain't gonna happen. Luke Skywalker achieved the potential of the Chosen One, his feats merely reflect - rather than define - this fact. That and the Sith Emperor has to topple Sidious first lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) That and the Sith Emperor has to topple Sidious first lol. Does this mean in your opinion Vitiate is the 3th most powerful force user? Edited March 19, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Does this mean in your opinion Vitiate is the 3th most powerful force user? No, it means in terms of every Star Wars author in existence, Sidious is astronomically superior to Vitiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Does this mean in your opinion Vitiate is the 3th most powerful force user?No that would be Yoda, I'd rank the Sith Emperor as 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) No that would be Yoda, I'd rank the Sith Emperor as 5th. Who is 4th? Mace Windu or one of Skywalker's descendants?My namesake?(curious) Edited March 19, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Who is 4th? Mace Windu or one of Skywalker's descendants?My namesake?(curious)Darth Caedus. Here is the entire list. If you recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) ... In my opinion he is the most powerful,but still i am surprised you put him at 5th place,just behind the canon protected chracters(and my namesake). I thought you would put him way down.Like around 10th or even bellow that. If you recall. I don't. Edited March 19, 2014 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looking back at that list, I question some of the placements. But too lazy to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunewalker Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looking back at that list, I question some of the placements. But too lazy to argue. Yep, but I always take the list as a guide line more then actual rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Looking back at that list, I question some of the placements. But too lazy to argue. >.> I question at least half of them, but most of them are just Beni's personal preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarSquirrel Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Yep, but I always take the list as a guide line more then actual rule. Well some of the Jedi and Jedi Lightsaber Duelists listings in particular I'm opposed to entirely so I was never a huge fan of that list. And of course I have a mental image that moves some of those characters up and down a few positions. But yeah, it is handy to have but far from definitive. However, I'm always impressed at the effort and work Beni puts into that (and the Kaggaths, In-depth Combats, etc...) so I'll give the list a lot of points for being a pretty inclusive and less biased than almost any other list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 In my opinion he is the most powerful,but still i am surprised you put him at 5th place,just behind the canon protected chracters(and my namesake). I thought you would put him way down.Like around 10th or even bellow that. I don't.Well you participated in the thread so I thought you might remember. But 10th? The Sith Emperor? LOL. He's canonically superior to everyone before him so that would be impossible for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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