OldVengeance Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 So after the Maelstrom Prison Revan explains that in his time as the Emperor's prisoner, he was able to gain a degree of mental influence and stop the the Great Galactic War for 300 years by tempering his hate. Now personally I think that turn of events from the Revan novel somehow makes both of them seem kinda... lame. But I can roll with that, and if we take him at face value it might make sense. But then the Emperor's Plans never really had anything to do with the war. He wants to consume all life in the galaxy not make war on the Republic. I kinda got the sense mostly from playing the Jedi Knight story that Revan may have been completely delusional, given what Scourge says of his plans. All Revan seems to have achieved was to delay something that wasn't even his real plan. The Emperor was totally unconcerned about the Republic itself anyway, and only really cares about accomplishing his ultimate goal, so on that, I got the feeling that Revan didn't really change much at all. But if that is the case, why did the Emperor put off his invasion by 300 years? If the Emperor's aloof attitude is supposedly a product of Revan's influence, then doesn't that almost mean he made him even more formidable by boosting his endless patience? Then again, now that I think about it maybe the writers were just being contradictory about the Emperor in general. Does not Scourge say that he and the Emperor have not felt emotion as a price of being immortal? The Emperor certainly seems fairly levelheaded for a Sith, even describing revenge as a "mortal fuel that leaves the tank bare" to the Sith Warrior. But Kira and Leeha both say specifically that the Emperor feels a cold rage and hate respectively. Even Scourge describes the Knight as "his most hated enemy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asrei Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 The war may not have been the Emperor's ultimate goal but, if I remember right, he needs death on a large scale to fuel his ritual. He doesn't care who wins, the war is simply a fuel source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfumblez Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 It's not about who wins the war. It's about how many are dying. If the entire Empire is slaughtered, Papa Emps is cool with that, because he'll have enough deaths to break out his ritual. Revan was trying to hold off that from happening for as long as possible. However, the Foundry Flashpoint brings some serious questions to the table on his level of sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson_Paladin Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) I believe it was Revan's influence that caused the Emperor to order the Treaty of Coruscant instead of finishing the job and destroying the Republic when they actually had the chance. 40 years later, the Emperor is thwarted repeatedly when he finally puts his plans into motion, his Voice gets trapped by Darth Baras, his replacement Voice is killed by the Jedi Knight, several members of the Dark Council are killed, Darth Malgus and the Dread Masters both betray the Empire, Imperial Intelligence is disbanded, and even as the Republic seems to be winning the war (and now headed by someone who has in the past advocated the complete destruction of the Sith Empire), the Sith are still spending time and energy killing one another. Even if Revan didn't intend for all of that to happen as it did, it's a pretty decent result. Edited December 4, 2012 by Crimson_Paladin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoshiRaphElan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Basically, Revan made the Emperor believe that the Republic was more powerful than it was, delaying the war for 300 years - and also making the Emperor wary enough to craft the Treaty of Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxetius Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 On a side note, Revan's intentions at the Foundry were to eliminate the Empire and defeat the Emperor. Unfortunately, what he did not realize was that death on such a ridiculous scale would only serve to empower the Emperor himself even more, rendering victory impossible. Thanks to his defeat, the galaxy still has a chance... albeit in a roundabout way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendaryBlade Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 He accomplished being ruined by terrible writers that i'm convinced actually hated the KOTOR games. He accomplished that so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoshiRaphElan Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 He accomplished being ruined by terrible writers that i'm convinced actually hated the KOTOR games. He accomplished that so good. To each his own. I loved Revan in the games - 'specially since it canonized his face. They gave him a good appearance, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 So why exactly did the mind link cause the Emperor to create the Treaty of Coruscant? Even if it was a product of Revan's influence, there still needed to be a reason the Emperor would need to opt for peace. Revan at most made the Emperor more cautious, he never made him give up his ultimate goals. If the Emperor wanted death on a massive scale, then surely the Treaty would be counter productive? Even if the Republic turned the tide (which was unlikely anyway) the death the continued war would have caused his plan to go into motion anyway even if it was the Empire that suffered the death he needed. Plus, why didn't he order the Empire to raze every Republic world they encountered in the Great Galactic War in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshlaBoga Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 On a side note, Revan's intentions at the Foundry were to eliminate the Empire and defeat the Emperor. Unfortunately, what he did not realize was that death on such a ridiculous scale would only serve to empower the Emperor himself even more, rendering victory impossible. Thanks to his defeat, the galaxy still has a chance... albeit in a roundabout way. Yeah a "97.8% efficient genocide" would have given the Emperor more than enough death to become a God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldVengeance Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) See, that's the thing. Revan clearly didn't know about that, so I begin to wonder if taking his own word for what he accomplished fighting the Emperor is the smartest idea. Edited December 10, 2012 by OldVengeance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainApop Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Additionally it's implied a lot of what Revan takes credit for was also influenced by the star cabal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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